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Old 09-15-2016, 01:52 PM
 
Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Just curious if this been done before...

WikiLeaks’ Guccifer 2.0: Obama Sold Public Offices to Donors | Observer

Maybe I am late to the party here but this shocked me...

Is this legal????

"Included in the leak was a list of high-profile donors from 2008 and the ambassadorship they received in exchange for their large donation to the DNC and Barack Obama’s Organizing For Action (OFA). Essentially, Obama was auctioning off foreign ambassador positions and other office positions while Hillary Clinton served as secretary of state. The largest donor listed at contributions totaling over $3.5 million, Matthew Barzun, served as U.S. Ambassador to Sweden from 2009 to 2011, served as President Obama’s National Finance Chair during his 2012 reelection campaign, and now serves as U.S. Ambassador to the United Kingdom.

The second largest donor, Julius Genachowski, donated just under $3.5 million to the DNC and OFA, and in exchange was appointed chairman of the FCC by Obama in 2009."
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Old 09-15-2016, 02:03 PM
 
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You're doing a great job, Brownie.
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Old 09-15-2016, 02:08 PM
 
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You're doing a great job, Brownie.
Thanks Bubba!
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Old 09-15-2016, 02:18 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Just curious if this been done before...


Almost certainly. As the old saw goes: There's nothing new under the sun.
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Old 09-15-2016, 05:08 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Just curious if this been done before...

WikiLeaks’ Guccifer 2.0: Obama Sold Public Offices to Donors | Observer

Maybe I am late to the party here but this shocked me...

Is this legal????

"Included in the leak was a list of high-profile donors from 2008 and the ambassadorship they received in exchange for their large donation to the DNC and Barack Obama’s Organizing For Action (OFA). Essentially, Obama was auctioning off foreign ambassador positions and other office positions while Hillary Clinton served as secretary of state. The largest donor listed at contributions totaling over $3.5 million, Matthew Barzun, served as U.S. Ambassador to Sweden from 2009 to 2011, served as President Obama’s National Finance Chair during his 2012 reelection campaign, and now serves as U.S. Ambassador to the United Kingdom.

The second largest donor, Julius Genachowski, donated just under $3.5 million to the DNC and OFA, and in exchange was appointed chairman of the FCC by Obama in 2009."
Most of our appointed government positions are filled by political favors, knowing someone, or because of someone supporting a campaign.

And most appointed government regulatory positions are filled by someone who has ties to the very industry they regulate. Example, the FDA's head will be a former drug company CEO, the EPA's head will be former CEO from a large polluting corporation, the forestry commission will be headed by a former CEO of a logging company. And the republicans are much worse at doing these appointments than democrats.

GW Bush got huge sums of campaign money from coal power plants. When GW Bush got elected he killed a law called the "New Source Rule" that required coal plants to become less polluting, Bush also appointed former coal CEO's to the EPA where they cut the EPA's staff so they could no longer regulate polluters effectively, and GW Bush cut the EPA's funding to a make the EPA weaker. Its very expensive for coal power plants to install anti-pollution devices and doing so reduces their profits, so they are very opposed to it.

https://www.publicintegrity.org/2003...cs-energy-coal
U.S. coal politics - SourceWatch
https://www.publicintegrity.org/2003...cs-energy-coal
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/04/ma...ules.html?_r=0

Death and Disease from Power Plants - Clean Air Task Force (CATF)


And GW Bush opposed the Kyoto global warming treaty because of pressure from campaign donors like ExxonMobile.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/200....climatechange

And as soon as republicans get into power they instantly start handing out favors to their campaign contributors. Like oil corporations giving GW Bush millions of dollars in campaign money, and in turn Bush giving them billions of dollars in tax cuts.
Big Oil's Influence in Washington . NOW | PBS

Or GW Bush giving the CEO's who financed his campaign $3 trillion dollars in tax cuts (while regular Americans got nothing.)
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis

CEO Mitt Romney was going to give the large corporations and CEO's who financed his campaign $6.6 trillion dollars in tax cuts.
https://thinkprogress.org/romneys-ec...s-52314de0d724

And Donald Trump will repay the CEO powers that be with $12 trillion dollars of tax cuts.
Donald Trump's Tax Plan Would Cost $12 Trillion | CTJReports


The democrats also hand out favors to these CEO's and corporations. But democrats get HUGE sums of campaign money from worker unions (regular Americans like teachers, construction workers, and welders) so democrats will do a few things that benefit regular Americans.

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Old 09-15-2016, 05:10 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Have other US Presidents "sold off" public office positions like Obama?


2 come to mind right off the bat.

Woodrow Wilson
Franklin Roosevelt
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Old 09-15-2016, 05:27 PM
 
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There's nothing new under the presidential sun.

ALL PRESIDENTS HAVE DONE THE EXACT SAME THINGS!!!!
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Old 09-15-2016, 06:24 PM
 
Location: The Woodlands, TX
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This seems like the text book example of "Pay to Play".

I think this should be illegal for anyone in power (handing out positions or gifts to those who contributed to you).
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Old 09-15-2016, 06:54 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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2 come to mind right off the bat.

Woodrow Wilson
Franklin Roosevelt
LBJ was another and Nixon was more than likely in pay to play crap.
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Old 09-15-2016, 07:09 PM
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"Ambassador" may as well just be short for "person the president likes for whatever reason," especially if it's somewhere nice.

Many countries prefer it that way. See Caroline Kennedy in Japan, for instance. She's basically a celebrity tourist who shows up at events.
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