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See again, you deflect and fail to place blame where blame lies. I am not even going to waste my time refuting your logic, especially when you use words like "pure garbage conclusions" "stupid" "uninformed". No use, you have made up your mind and refuse to look at the big picture.
"Place blame where blame lies??" You think all these different issues have a single common entity that you can blame??! That's exactly the fallacy that I pointed out from your post. Homelessness, drugs, poverty, schools, income inequality, etc, etc; are different issues with different dynamic. Sorry, you can't just use one broad stroke and say, "I blame (name of group)!!" and be done with. That's lazy thinking.
Take San Francisco's homelessness for example - some of the big reasons why they camp out in SF is because of the nice weather, safety, and urban convenience. When you're homeless, the weather is your roof - SF is never too hot nor too cold, it doesn't snow, and it hardly rains. The city is relatively safe so they don't have to worry about being victims of crime, which is especially important when you are out on the street 24/7, and lastly it comes with all the urbanity of good living without a car. So basically, what makes SF good is also the reason why it attracts many homeless. Who do you blame for that? If you have to blame someone, it'd be God for making the nice weather and the Democrats for making it too good of a city. Is that the road you want to go down?? See how silly and dumb that idea is?
Furthermore, when you look into the data, more than 70% of homeless people make it off the street within a year of beginning homeless. But the spots are quickly filled by new homeless. In other words, being homeless is a temporary state for most of them. People fall into extreme poverty and some people make it out. The percentage of such people at any given instance is less than 1% of the population. Basically the data is saying that extreme poverty is transitional and probably unavoidable - it is natural for some people to be down on their luck in our society. Knowing the facts, do you still think Democrats are to blame for the 0.7% of people falling into deep poverty? If so, you'll need to explain why.
And still more, when you look into the homeless population, you see a lot of young runnaways; kids or young adults who clashed with their parents and decided to runaway to the streets. Or mentally ill people who, for whatever reason, never got the proper treatment. Or people who had a string of bad luck (be it medical or whatever) and lost everything. You seriously are going to blame the Democrats for ALL of those happening?????!!
What I want you to do is think. These are very intricate and complicated issues. To pretend that it is flat and simple is either irrational or disingenuous.
Rudy Gulliani made New York into one of the safest, cleanest large cities in the world. Now the liberal idiot has rolled all that back and now the murder and crime rate in NY is going up fast and people are starting to avoid the place like in the bad old days of the 70's.
Liberals ruin everything they touch.
They really do destroy everything......truly amazing. I say it often about *******s, they are so open minded their brains fell out.
The truth hurts. It is always hard to look in the mirror but liberal policies sometimes have unintended consequences. Public housing was built so that poor minorities weren't in substandard housing. So they built high density projects and put them all in centralized high rises. That was a disaster. Maybe some feel good legislation on regulating and taxing those inner city factories eventually closed most of them down. Who worked there? People who lived nearby. Liberal states have high taxes because of liberal government. Also liberal policies raised healthcare costs by mandating what the insurance companies must pay for. I am pretty liberal but to make the claim that liberalism is the best and only way to govern and that there is no merit to conservatism is only doing us all a disservice. President Barack Obama said himself that government works best when both parties work together to solve problems. We need to listen to both sides and have more tolerance for conservatives and for liberals otherwise divided we fall.
So, liberals have tried to help poor people and have had failures along the way, which is still better than conservative "solutions", as in, doing nothing, which is a failure from the get-go.
So, liberals have tried to help poor people and have had failures along the way, which is still better than conservative "solutions", as in, doing nothing, which is a failure from the get-go.
This is a really good encapsulation of leftist thought. Leftist policies fail every time, and usually make things worse, but results don't matter because intentions are all that matters.
I'm glad the cities are left and rural areas are right. It makes it a lot easier to not have to interact with each other.
Iowa with a conservative Republican governor has about 3,000 homeless people and just a slightly smaller population then Los Angeles which run by liberal, Democratic with 44,000 homeless people.
Los Angeles County all together has 82,000 homeless people, while conservative Ohio with a larger population then Los Angeles County has 12,000 homeless and Michigan with a similar population with 11,000 homeless.
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Rudy Gulliani made New York into one of the safest, cleanest large cities in the world. Now the liberal idiot has rolled all that back and now the murder and crime rate in NY is going up fast and people are starting to avoid the place like in the bad old days of the 70's.
Liberals ruin everything they touch.
Fun fact, the crime rate started dropping dramatically before Giuliani ever took office. You can go thank David Dinkins for that, since he's the one who actually put the extra cops on the street and got the cleanup going. After Giuliani took office, indictment rates dropped precipitously and police response times went up.
All Giuliani did was institute a massive campaign of harassment against minorities and the homeless.
Iowa with a conservative Republican governor has about 3,000 homeless people and just a slightly smaller population then Los Angeles which run by liberal, Democratic with 44,000 homeless people.
Los Angeles County all together has 82,000 homeless people, while conservative Ohio with a larger population then Los Angeles County has 12,000 homeless and Michigan with a similar population with 11,000 homeless.
Coastal states with temperate or warmer climates (West Coast, Gulf Coast) are inherently going to have more homeless people, SF especially would have more homeless regardless of any local resources available.
Climate is relevant, and homeless people tend to dislike colder climates like most of the interior has.
Iowa with a conservative Republican governor has about 3,000 homeless people and just a slightly smaller population then Los Angeles which run by liberal, Democratic with 44,000 homeless people.
Los Angeles County all together has 82,000 homeless people, while conservative Ohio with a larger population then Los Angeles County has 12,000 homeless and Michigan with a similar population with 11,000 homeless.
You're comparing SF, which has a population of around 850,000 people living on 49 square miles (that goes up over a million during the work week) and has a mild climate, to a WHOLE state that is 78,000 square miles and is below freezing 4 months out of the year. Well, they do both have a very similar population size and that is the only thing you got right. You need to compare apple to apple. You are comparing apple to pumpkin. Silly...
Coastal states with temperate or warmer climates (West Coast, Gulf Coast) are inherently going to have more homeless people, SF especially would have more homeless regardless of any local resources available.
Climate is relevant, and homeless people tend to dislike colder climates like most of the interior has.
Drifters also like free stuff. Warmth is just a bonus.
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