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Old 09-17-2016, 08:15 AM
 
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Interesting the school district's superintendent supports the student's action by using the "first amendment/free speech" card.

Maybe it's just me, but methinks that if a student in her district wore a neo nazi or white supremacy t shirt to school, that free speech would go right out the window.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/california...tml#mycomments

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A Native American high school student in California says a teacher lowered her and a friend's participation grades after they refused to stand up for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Leilani Thomas has been choosing not to stand during the Pledge of Allegiance since the second grade -- way before San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick started doing the same during performances of the national anthem at games, ABC affiliate KXTV in Sacramento reported.

Thomas explained that she is Native American and that she has been sitting out the Pledge of Allegiance as a peaceful protest to the way Native Americans have been historically treated in the U.S.
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Old 09-17-2016, 10:29 AM
 
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Yeah, pretty much. Free speech is fine if you're anti-America or complaining about America, but as soon as a kid shows up with a Pro 2A shirt, then they are forced to go home and change or be suspended. So much for free speech
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Old 09-17-2016, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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here goes the class action suits $$ $$ $$
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Old 09-17-2016, 10:49 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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If kids don't have the right to wear an American flag shirt tgen they don't have the right to sit during the pledge.
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Old 09-17-2016, 11:06 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Interesting the school district's superintendent supports the student's action by using the "first amendment/free speech" card.

Maybe it's just me, but methinks that if a student in her district wore a neo nazi or white supremacy t shirt to school, that free speech would go right out the window.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/california...tml#mycomments

Good lesson in real life... Be self employed, or do things you may not want to do.
The teacher exercised her free speech by lowering their grades....
Free speech doesn't come without consequences. If you don't consent, change classes or homeschool
Makes the case for school voucher
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Interesting the school district's superintendent supports the student's action by using the "first amendment/free speech" card.

Maybe it's just me, but methinks that if a student in her district wore a neo nazi or white supremacy t shirt to school, that free speech would go right out the window.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/california...tml#mycomments
The superintendent was correct.

The Supreme Court has ruled likewise.
From 1943:

"To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous instead of a compulsory routine is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds. .
But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much.
That would be a mere shadow of freedom.
The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order.

If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. .

We think the action of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control."


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Old 09-17-2016, 12:44 PM
 
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I'm honestly surprised schools still have students say the pledge. I thought it had died off some time ago. Oh well, no better time to bury it.
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:50 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I'm honestly surprised schools still have students say the pledge. I thought it had died off some time ago. Oh well, no better time to bury it.

Progressive Austin TX. the kids in elementary school say it and the Texas Pledge every morning. Jr. high and High school just the National Anthem is played right before the bell rings in the morning.
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:59 PM
 
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Interesting the school district's superintendent supports the student's action by using the "first amendment/free speech" card.

Maybe it's just me, but methinks that if a student in her district wore a neo nazi or white supremacy t shirt to school, that free speech would go right out the window.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/california...tml#mycomments
Good Citizenship and US Government should be taught and Respected. Americanism should be our top priority in this country!
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Old 09-17-2016, 02:03 PM
 
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Good lesson in real life... Be self employed, or do things you may not want to do.
The teacher exercised her free speech by lowering their grades....
Free speech doesn't come without consequences. If you don't consent, change classes or homeschool
Makes the case for school voucher
Excuse me but grades are given based on their academic performance, not on the pledge of allegiance. Seriously people, get a grip.

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