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Surah 9 5- And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
First of all, just answer a question. Was it written by Mohammed himself?
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Originally Posted by monkeyjobs
What symbol, allegory and allusions are you talking about?
It says kill the polytheists , capture them and besiege them.
How else am I supposed to interpret this?
Actually, good questions.
But again, we're taking everything literally when reading such things. To get a clear idea what does it all means for real, we need to learn psychology, mentality and culture of the nation. We can't measure clothes of the different nations with the same template.
"Kill" is the english word that means the deprivation of a human life.
But the Quran is in Arab language, and this word may mean deliverance or escape. I am not affirming that, but this word can have other meaning than deprivation of a human life. It is very difficult to precisely translate a religious teaching of one culture to another language of another culture so that all the primordial meaning were kept without a distortion. Each arabian ornate letter have a few meanings. And a small dot or a dash on the letter would change the whole meaning of the word.
We remember that Hillary brought the Russians the Reload button instead of the Reset. The whole Department of States couldn't find a good russian translator across the country to correctly translate just one darned word. But here, we're talking about the religion book on a foreign language.
It is not a big deal to just read Quran. The most important thing is to understand correctly what is it all about.
You are not the first one who has tried to construct a fantasy Islam in their minds to match what the religion should be. Just read how Muhamad ruled when he was alive. No need to make up your own Islam. Islam, as a governing philosophy, has been an abject failure. They've had 1500 years to create a model society but the best they have come up with you can see in the ruins of Aleppo.
First of all, just answer a question. Was it written by Mohammed himself?
Actually, good questions.
But again, we're taking everything literally when reading such things. To get a clear idea what does it all means for real, we need to learn psychology, mentality and culture of the nation. We can't measure clothes of the different nations with the same template.
"Kill" is the english word that means the deprivation of a human life.
But the Quran is in Arab language, and this word may mean deliverance or escape. I am not affirming that, but this word can have other meaning than deprivation of a human life. It is very difficult to precisely translate a religious teaching of one culture to another language of another culture so that all the primordial meaning were kept without a distortion. Each arabian ornate letter have a few meanings. And a small dot or a dash on the letter would change the whole meaning of the word.
We remember that Hillary brought the Russians the Reload button instead of the Reset. The whole Department of States couldn't find a good russian translator across the country to correctly translate just one darned word. But here, we're talking about the religion book on a foreign language.
"Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him" - Muhammad
But he didn't mean it and apostasy death penalty in Islam is peaceful.
There is nothing new under moon.
Bahaiism is a very inspiring teaching. But if we'd take a look at the history of the religion, we would see that every newborn spiritual teaching has been chased by the folowers of the preceding religion. Christian neophytes were murdered by the Romans. Muslims weren't welcomed by the Christians. Bahaiist are persecuted by muslims... It is so usual, man.
Historically, perhaps but what about NOW, as in 2016. Which Jews are killing Christians? Which Roman is killing Christians? The only religion Bahai's have to fear TODAY is Islam. Why?
First of all, just answer a question. Was it written by Mohammed himself?
Actually, good questions.
But again, we're taking everything literally when reading such things. To get a clear idea what does it all means for real, we need to learn psychology, mentality and culture of the nation. We can't measure clothes of the different nations with the same template.
"Kill" is the english word that means the deprivation of a human life.
But the Quran is in Arab language, and this word may mean deliverance or escape. I am not affirming that, but this word can have other meaning than deprivation of a human life. It is very difficult to precisely translate a religious teaching of one culture to another language of another culture so that all the primordial meaning were kept without a distortion. Each arabian ornate letter have a few meanings. And a small dot or a dash on the letter would change the whole meaning of the word.
We remember that Hillary brought the Russians the Reload button instead of the Reset. The whole Department of States couldn't find a good russian translator across the country to correctly translate just one darned word. But here, we're talking about the religion book on a foreign language.
Ah, the reload vs. reset conundrum. It alone explains all the bloodshed in the world in the name of Islam. When billions of people over hundreds of years have interpreted Islam the way we see it today, isn't it time to ask yourself maybe it is YOU who is wrong.
Ah, the reload vs. reset conundrum. It alone explains all the bloodshed in the world in the name of Islam.
Did you ever count all the bloodshed in the world in the name of JC?
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Originally Posted by HappyRider
When billions of people over hundreds of years have interpreted Islam the way we see it today, isn't it time to ask yourself maybe it is YOU who is wrong.
Sorry, sir. But you even have no idea what you're talking about. You are reasoning as a average expert from the crowd. There were/are millions sects, each with their own interpreter of a religion. So what? All of them were/are right?
FYI, there are different levels of understanding of a religious teaching. It could be millions or billions levels. But the only good interpreter of the religion is a man who practically went through all the spiritual path of the teaching himself. There were very few of them in the world over hundreds years. So never say about billions interpreters who were right.
First of all, just answer a question. Was it written by Mohammed himself?
Actually, good questions.
But again, we're taking everything literally when reading such things. To get a clear idea what does it all means for real, we need to learn psychology, mentality and culture of the nation. We can't measure clothes of the different nations with the same template.
"Kill" is the english word that means the deprivation of a human life.
But the Quran is in Arab language, and this word may mean deliverance or escape. I am not affirming that, but this word can have other meaning than deprivation of a human life. It is very difficult to precisely translate a religious teaching of one culture to another language of another culture so that all the primordial meaning were kept without a distortion. Each arabian ornate letter have a few meanings. And a small dot or a dash on the letter would change the whole meaning of the word.
We remember that Hillary brought the Russians the Reload button instead of the Reset. The whole Department of States couldn't find a good russian translator across the country to correctly translate just one darned word. But here, we're talking about the religion book on a foreign language.
Quran is most likely written by Muhammad himself.
Why does it matter who wrote it?
I can also promote pedophilia and rape to people and state that these words are translate wrong and have deeper, psychological meanings.
And I don't see a point on why you're defending Quran. So you're saying Quran and Islam are problems indeed because they have been interpreted horribly and Muslims literally take these word for word?
Did you ever count all the bloodshed in the world in the name of JC?
There are people who are killing people in the name of Jesus?
So if I go to countries with high percentage of Christians like Brazil and Mexico, people will kill me for leaving the religion?
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