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Old 09-20-2016, 01:19 PM
 
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Who knows. I don't think all cop shootings are called "murdered" so the numbers are going to be naturally skewed. I do think anytime a cop shoots a person, armed or unarmed, it's murdered. But considering democide is one of the leading killers of Americans and other people around the world, I would say the numbers are probably pretty high. I think the main thing is the government kills you more than individuals or criminals do.
wow, just wow.

This is the most amazing statement of the day.

 
Old 09-20-2016, 01:19 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Wrong! The police in the helicopter said it looks like he is not following commands.
No. One of them said "it looks like he's following her commands now".
 
Old 09-20-2016, 01:20 PM
 
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Not trying to be the intermediator but while Pedro has a point, the fact of the matter is that DC is correct in that the man was not rushed. He was initially being followed by the first officer, who for some reason, allowed him to walk up to 20 yards, all the way to the driver side. The man could have indeed either been under the influence or simply being uncooperative. But regardless, the point at which a person is continuing to walk, despite having a weapon drawn on him/her, you know something is going down. Even the helicopter pilot said it looks like something is going down because the man was not being compliant.

The issue is that they allowed him and themselves to enter the danger/fog zone- in which allowed to possibly reach in the window or vehicle. From there, any false move by either can result in knee jerk reaction. And by them retreating in stacked formation, seems as if there may have been a possible threat in the vehicle. But somehow, that didn’t bother them when they walked right up to it. And furthermore, failure to provide aid was another demonstration of lack of proper execution of duty.
I won't disagree with any of that.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 01:22 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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He had a buzz going on. That is obvious.
Did you glean that from the way he was staggering all over the road while walking to his car?

 
Old 09-20-2016, 01:23 PM
 
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It says he was shot in the right chest which means at the very least his right arm was raised.

You don't reach for a door handle with your left hand in the position he was in.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 01:25 PM
 
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If she weren't wearing a cops uniform, it would be murder. It still is, but she'll get off with a wrist slap. Amazing how a uniform and a badge turn murder into a legal killing!
The fact of the matter is that she was in uniform making the threat issue, from a legal standpoint, blurry.

The fact of the matter is also that we have 100k+ armed agents of the government activilely watching citizens for behavior they perceive as suspicious. When they see what they believe is suspicious, they can act upon what they may view as threatening.

Maybe it's time to evaluate whether we want a government so powerful that they can use our money to fund such an effort?
 
Old 09-20-2016, 01:27 PM
 
Location: east coast
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The problem with policing nowadays is all the training is geared from one perspective. THAT OF THE OFFICER'S. They do not train the officers to see things from the people they encounter's perspective. Everything is about control!!! Throw into the mix, half of these cops already have a messed up attitude, an ego that needs to be fed, just waiting to be disrespected, just waiting for the slightest notion you challenged them, just waiting for the slightest notion that you do not think they are powerful and manly. And then it's game on. Don't believe me? Head over the live leak and spent the next year watching the thousands of videos showing police interactions with the public.

Yes, I know there are good cops. Most are, but there is also a culture of the above in the police forces being put out there today.
It's always been like that but it's not the training that contributes to a messed up attitude. You don't train officers to become out of control. It's in them to begin with. The problem is that most supervisor officers don't know how to channel the aggression because it takes emotional intelligence, not just tactics. Furthermore, they were just like that when they were on the road themselves. Unfortunately, the ones with emotional intelligence are not always geared for dangerous types of work. You will often seem them providing police presence and talking to shop owners. But patrol sgts often get at them for not being more "pro-active". Also, you need a certain type of personality to police cities and fight crime.

At the end of the day, there are so many components. Young black males in violent cities live a life that isn't exactly conducive to proper policing. When officers are exposed to this, they become jaded and often suffer PTSD. Try policing a rough neighborhood for 15 years with no break- you will go insane and become part of that city. On top of that, add white, non-culture white folk to these cities and you have culture clash.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 01:27 PM
 
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It says he was shot in the right chest which means at the very least his right arm was raised.

You don't reach for a door handle with your left hand in the position he was in.


Looks to me she panicked and ffed up big time. Not sure how much you'd have to pay me to have a job where a mistake leads to a man slaughter charge.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 01:27 PM
 
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It says he was shot in the right chest which means at the very least his right arm was raised.

You don't reach for a door handle with your left hand in the position he was in.
He could have been shot in the chest with his arm down.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 01:27 PM
 
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Originally Posted by PedroMartinez View Post
The definition of rush is not based on tackling, it's based on moving quickly showing you are in a hurry.

Rush | Definition of Rush by Merriam-Webster

You don't get to make up your own definition.
Rushing a person is an idiomatic expression.
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