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Old 09-20-2016, 04:05 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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After watching this never-ending, mind-numbing 2-year Presidential campaign, I keep thinking, increasingly, it's time to carve up this country, but into how many parts? 2, 4, 6? Bear in mind, California is about the same size as Germany, and Texas the size of France, and if they can stand alone.......................................

What do you think? Time to carve it up? And into how many parts?
Someone's been watching "The Last Ship".
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Old 09-20-2016, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Let me add one more tidbit as well.

America has no friends in the world. None of the other nearly 200 countries in this world are our friends. And we would turn our backs on them, or even go to war with them, the moment it was in our national interests to do so. And they would do exactly the same to us.

We only pretend to be their friend, as long as it continues to be beneficial. We are allies with Saudi Arabia, not because they are good, but because they are useful. The moment they are no longer useful, they are nothing.

Just think of how much we suddenly hated France, merely because they veto'ed the UN Resolution for the invasion of Iraq in 2003.


If America was to fall apart, another power would merely rise up to take our place. Russia has no qualms with taking over and/or holding territory by force(Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, etc). China equally doesn't even flinch when given the opportunity to take new territory, or to hold, through force, what they already have(IE Tibet, islands in South China Sea, etc).


The world isn't ruled by freedom and democracy. We didn't defeat the Nazi's and the Soviets through freedom and democracy. We defeated them with guns, and bombs, and money, and bribes, and the machinations of the CIA.


The world is ruled by power, and power alone. And it always will be.

The goal of all entities, regardless of what they might otherwise proclaim, is to become the most powerful, period.



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"Modern states have reached precisely this point. Christianity serves them only as a pretext or a phrase or as a means of deceiving the idle mob, for they pursue goals which have nothing to do with religious sentiments. The great statesmen of our days, the Palmerstons, the Muravievs, the Cavours, the Bismarcks, the Napoleons, had a good laugh when people took their religious pronouncements seriously. They laughed harder when people attributed humanitarian sentiments, considerations, and intentions to them, but they never made the mistake of treating these ideas in public as so much nonsense. Just what remains to constitute their morality? The interest of the State, and nothing else. From this point of view, which, incidentally, with very few exceptions, has been that of the statesmen, the strong men of all times and of all countries from this point of view, I say, whatever conduces to the preservation, the grandeur and the power of the State, no matter how sacrilegious or morally revolting it may seem, that is the good. And conversely, whatever opposes the State's interests, no matter how holy or just otherwise, that is evil. Such is the secular morality and practice of every State.

The existence of one sovereign, exclusionary State necessarily supposes the existence and, if need be, provokes the formation of other such States, since it is quite natural that individuals who find themselves outside it and are threatened by it in their existence and in their liberty, should, in their turn, associate themselves against it. We thus have humanity divided into an indefinite number of foreign states, all hostile and threatened by each other. There is no common right, no social contract of any kind between them; otherwise they would cease to be independent states and become the federated members of one great state. But unless this great state were to embrace all of humanity, it would be confronted with other great states, each federated within, each maintaining the same posture of inevitable hostility. War would still remain the supreme law, an unavoidable condition of human survival.

Every state, federated or not, would therefore seek to become the most powerful. It must devour lest it be devoured, conquer lest it be conquered, enslave lest it be enslaved." - Mikhail Bakunin, Theory of the state, 1873
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Old 09-20-2016, 04:27 PM
 
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This issue was settled 151 years ago.

No need to keep beating that dead horse.
Some dead horses love getting beat, I suppose.
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Old 09-20-2016, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Some dead horses love getting beat, I suppose.
Why is it that this dead horse in particular, so badly wants to be beat?

Do you care to address the issue in the form of ethics(IE right and wrong)? Instead of the callous dismissal of ideas, which in reality, you only don't entertain because it doesn't serve your own selfish purposes.
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Old 09-20-2016, 04:45 PM
 
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People say "it will never happen" until it happens.

Do people really think the political and cultural fabric of the nation will continue to fray and there will be no reaction? Or maybe people think the politics in the US will improve... How the hell is that going to happen?
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Old 09-20-2016, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Keller, TX
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or maybe people think the politics in the us will improve... How the hell is that going to happen?
Artificial General Intelligence
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Old 09-20-2016, 04:51 PM
 
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That's a hell of a lot more realistic than expecting lefty America and righty America to spontaneously get along.
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Old 09-20-2016, 05:23 PM
 
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The Federal government should be disbanded and the 50 states should form a NATO like alliance where the 50 governors all vote to appoint a "Commander-n-Chief" of the United States Armed Forces. All other issues are devolved down to the state, if not local level. The Bill of rights and free movement of goods and people will still be maintained across the United States territory.
And each governor has his finger poised over his own personal nuke? Sure; why not? There's nothing likely to go wrong with that scenario.
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Old 09-20-2016, 05:41 PM
 
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Why is it that this dead horse in particular, so badly wants to be beat?

Do you care to address the issue in the form of ethics(IE right and wrong)? Instead of the callous dismissal of ideas, which in reality, you only don't entertain because it doesn't serve your own selfish purposes.
No.
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Old 09-20-2016, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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That's a hell of a lot more realistic than expecting lefty America and righty America to spontaneously get along.
It's sad that that is all you can see. I'd bet if we sat down over a cup of coffee (or whatever you want to drink), and talked about anything other than politics, you'd see that we're probably not that much different after all.
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