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All true. And it's very likely true that African-Americans would have made even more contributions had they historically had more access to the elements you mention (and I think people alive today should understand that, and people alive today should have opportunities no matter who they are). But, on this last point, I don't think it's good for anyone if we then subtly influence the perception of the way things actually were, or rewrite history a little to how we wish things had been, and that goes for Google searches, history textbooks, and other components.
But at the end of the day who cares honestly? It's a ranking algorithm, nothing more or nothing less. And honestly people have way too much time on their hands if they are going to complain about whose name shows up on a list. clearly you have the right to disagree with the list, but whose life does this impact anyway? Does it prevent people from being inventors? No, you can blame the political process and the red tape involved in the patent process for that.
This is a disingenuous line of refutation. It's 2016. Google is the worldwide de facto standard for search as well as the biggest Artificial Intelligence and Robotics firm on the planet. Intelligent people can discuss the way auto-completes and search results work, and their potential influence across civilization, despite the fact we aren't charged 25 cents per search or a $30 monthly fee for search access.
Personally I've watched Google become less and less useful over time. Google in 2002 or 2003 was preferable to (but less profitable than) Google in 2016, in my opinion.
But at the end of the day who cares honestly? It's a ranking algorithm, nothing more or nothing less.
Okay. I care a bit. If you think it's pure statistics and there's nothing going on and nothing to talk about then I guess there's nothing for us to talk about and we can move on.
This is a disingenuous line of refutation. It's 2016. Google is the worldwide de facto standard for search as well as the biggest Artificial Intelligence and Robotics firm on the planet. Intelligent people can discuss the way auto-completes and search results work, and their potential influence across civilization, despite the fact we aren't charged 25 cents per search or a $30 monthly fee for search access.
Personally I've watched Google become less and less useful over time. Google in 2002 or 2003 was preferable to (but less profitable than) Google in 2016, in my opinion.
That's your opinion. Google is making some really really big waves in the field of deep learning and neural nets. And even invented AlphaGo. It has Google App Engine, which is an amazing cloud platform. It is the company that wrote papers on Big Table, which has lead to a revolution in Big Data technology. And it was doing containerization technology which has revolutionized large scale systems and virtualization. They've done a ton of stuff, which is changing the world and society for the better.
You may not agree with some things they do, I certainly don't. But it has become one of the most important companies in the 21st century, and has changed the way we think of data.
I mean I'm a black man, and I get tired of hearing for white racialist talk as if every white person in the world is a genius, and every black person in the world is an imbecile. When many never talk about how we have many smart black people in the world, yet are ignored by both the mainstream media and society as a whole. I mean Sylvestor James Gates is legitimately one of the smartest theorhetical physicist in the world today, and is mostly ignored by white nationalist, black people, and the media as a whole.
I'm tired of black engineers, mathematicians, phyicist getting the "they don't exist" treatment. Especially as a black man who works in STEM, and has an incredible interest in STEM. But guess what I just need to "suck it up". I suggest you do the same.
Yes, trust me I'm well aware of all of the publicly-known ventures Alphabet is into. I think that was my point. To say they are huge is an understatement. They are angling to basically win the future in their race toward autonomous AGI. I know all that you mentioned.
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You may not agree with some things they do, I certainly don't. But it has become one of the most important companies in the 21st century, and has changed the way we think of data.
Yes, I don't know why we're arguing about that. Their plain old Google search site, in my opinion, has become too given to results sequences that seem unduly influenced by eCommerce, for example.
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I mean I'm a black man, and I get tired of hearing for white racialist talk as if every white person in the world is a genius, and every black person in the world is an imbecile. When many never talk about how we have many smart black people in the world, yet are ignored by both the mainstream media and society as a whole.
I would never want to do that. That's not what I'm about.
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I mean Sylvestor James Gates is legitimately one of the smartest theorhetical physicist in the world today, and is mostly ignored by white nationalist, black people, and the media as a whole.
I'm a HUGE fan of Gates! I'm a Simulation Hypothesis hobbyist and was very interested when he told NDT at the Asimov conference a few years ago about the 'computer code' inherent in some of the equations we use to describe the physics of the universe. After that, I've listened to anything I can with him speaking or teaching.
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I'm tired of black engineers, mathematicians, phyicist getting the "they don't exist" treatment. Especially as a black man who works in STEM, and has an incredible interest in STEM.
People should be recognized and acknowledged for their achievements, findings, contributions, period.
Okay.I never said you manipulated my words, I only said the search results were manipulated. I did say the idea that I didn't think African-American inventors were American was incorrect and weird.I'm not, I'm just typing on a message board about it.I think Nixon is probably the WORST President at least in modern times but I have no idea why Google is using that particular order for that search either. I find the array of American inventors presented by that search raises an eyebrow.
You're saying it's purely based on search statistics -- so that by searching for "American inventors" I'm interpreted as invoking Google's ranking of people it considers to be American inventors by search frequency. I think that's a little strange, particularly the way Google has their little custom interface that is activated by this particular search which seems to be ranking the American inventors.
I'm saying it looks to a reasonable person like it's ranking them by some method of determining importance or noteworthiness -- "oh you want to know about American inventors, well here are some American inventors you probably want to know about then."
You're saying it's purely ranking them by search frequency -- "oh you searched for American inventors, here is a list of people our system has linked as American inventors, by individual search frequency."
If it's the second way, it should say so, because I think the way it's presented it looks like it could be interpreted as being the first way.
All I said on the search itself is that many black people in this country search specifically for "African American Inventors" and due to that any search that includes those three words, including "American Inventors" will hit upon the frequently searched "African American Inventors." It is based on searched statistics.
Now if you looked up Ben Franklin or Thomas Edison individually and Garret Morgan showed up instead THEN I could see how there could be some tinkering with the search engine. I frequently search for things that are similar to popular searches and get the popular search results instead of what I'm looking for specifically.
Also, as I stated earlier, google is not a ranking system nor is it a report. There is also no possible way to rate inventors. A list someone posted earlier had Tesla as the #1 inventor in the world. I honestly had never heard of him until about 5-6 years ago.
And I may not be a regular sort of person in my thinking but I honestly don't think that most people believe that google ranks in importance or noteworthiness groups of people who are searched. They'll rank by the people who are searched the most then go down the line per your bold above. That is how I always thought it worked.
There are many different kinds of intelligence and the art and invention that accompanies that. Look at black musicians. Especially of the 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's. They rewrote the book on creating music. To me that is as important as a better V8 engine or faster computer.
All I said on the search itself is that many black people in this country search specifically for "African American Inventors" and due to that any search that includes those three words, including "American Inventors" will hit upon the frequently searched "African American Inventors." It is based on searched statistics.
Now if you looked up Ben Franklin or Thomas Edison individually and Garret Morgan showed up instead THEN I could see how there could be some tinkering with the search engine. I frequently search for things that are similar to popular searches and get the popular search results instead of what I'm looking for specifically.
Also, as I stated earlier, google is not a ranking system nor is it a report. There is also no possible way to rate inventors. A list someone posted earlier had Tesla as the #1 inventor in the world. I honestly had never heard of him until about 5-6 years ago.
And I may not be a regular sort of person in my thinking but I honestly don't think that most people believe that google ranks in importance or noteworthiness groups of people who are searched. They'll rank by the people who are searched the most then go down the line per your bold above. That is how I always thought it worked.
Okay. I understand and see your points. Cheers!
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