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Old 09-21-2016, 06:39 AM
 
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Yes- police brutality/excessive force exists, but it's not a racial issue. Police kill more white people than black people in both armed and unarmed situations. In fact, police killed twice as many white people than black people in 2015. "But wait, black people only make up 13% of the population!" Yes, that is true. However, that 13% of the population commits 62% of robberies, 57% of murders, and 45% of assaults (according to FBI stats). So, although black people only make up 13% of the population, they statistically have more run-ins with the police... and even after all that, more white people are killed by police.

For some reason, the media loves to stir up racial tension by reporting on only white on black or police on black brutality, but stays silent when the more common white on white brutality occurs. It's important to understand the facts before making some wild assumption that police are looking for any excuse they can to kill a black person

 
Old 09-21-2016, 06:43 AM
 
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Study Finds Racial Bias in Police Use of Force — But Not in Shootings

Study Finds Racial Bias in Police Use of Force



But, when you have a winning narrative, why let facts get in the way?
 
Old 09-21-2016, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Yes- police brutality/excessive force exists, but it's not a racial issue. Police kill more white people than black people in both armed and unarmed situations. In fact, police killed twice as many white people than black people in 2015. "But wait, black people only make up 13% of the population!" Yes, that is true. However, that 13% of the population commits 62% of robberies, 57% of murders, and 45% of assaults (according to FBI stats). So, although black people only make up 13% of the population, they statistically have more run-ins with the police... and even after all that, more white people are killed by police.

For some reason, the media loves to stir up racial tension by reporting on only white on black or police on black brutality, but stays silent when the more common white on white brutality occurs. It's important to understand the facts before making some wild assumption that police are looking for any excuse they can to kill a black person

Facts have no power here. Racists and bigots will ignore them.
 
Old 09-21-2016, 06:46 AM
 
Location: WY
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Yes- police brutality/excessive force exists, but it's not a racial issue. Police kill more white people than black people in both armed and unarmed situations. In fact, police killed twice as many white people than black people in 2015. "But wait, black people only make up 13% of the population!" Yes, that is true. However, that 13% of the population commits 62% of robberies, 57% of murders, and 45% of assaults (according to FBI stats). So, although black people only make up 13% of the population, they statistically have more run-ins with the police... and even after all that, more white people are killed by police.

For some reason, the media loves to stir up racial tension by reporting on only white on black or police on black brutality, but stays silent when the more common white on white brutality occurs. It's important to understand the facts before making some wild assumption that police are looking for any excuse they can to kill a black person
Don't confuse the issue with facts. The numbers are out there but those who don't care about the numbers.........don't care about the numbers. As an aside, Clinton using the death of a man for political gain and appealing directly to white people "that's not who we are" (where have we heard that before?) before slithering back under her rock to rest before the big debate, was appalling.

So was Obamas' attempts at shaming blacks into voting for her (and giving him a big send off.............just go the F away already Obama) and his accusations of sexism if she loses. These people have no shame.

For those who have real concerns about the number of African Americans being shot by police, do the research. For every other subject that comes up in this joint you guys are quick to Google the crap out of it. Do the same for this issue.
 
Old 09-21-2016, 06:54 AM
 
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OP you should not attempt to downplay the fact that racial bias exists in our law enforcement/criminal justice system.

This is actually a documented fact.

Also, no one is debating the crime committed by black criminals. It is very telling in regards to the many of you who like to make excuses for police officers killing people involved in non-violent/non-criminal activities, that you pull out crime statistics as a reason why police should be racist against black people and kill them.

I'll also point out that black people have more run-ins with police due to racial bias as well. Whites are the most killed by police but whites are also the most likely to have drugs on their person in vehicles and to be driving under the influence of drugs/alcohol versus blacks by a wide margin and for DUI on a rate much higher than the population of whites at large. Since a majority of these police shooting or being involved in the deaths of black people occur based on traffic stops, it makes more sense that 80% of all traffic stops looking for drugs and criminal activity should be focused on whites and they should be stopped at least 80% of the time, more than that in some areas. However, this is not the case. Any run in with police makes a high probabilty of being charged with some sort of crime, usually a mis-demeanor. Since police stop black people more, even though statistically blacks are least likely to have drugs or be under the influence of intoxicating substances in their vehicles, this is proof of racial bias and racism and systematic bias in our criminal justice system.

On violent crimes you mentioned (according to FBI stats). They do not occur during traffic stops over 90% of the time. Robberies, murders, and assaults do not usually occur in vehicles whereas police are involved. Police are called after the fact. None of those have anything to do with police pulling over black people, or seeing random black people on the side of the road or seeing black kids running in a neighborhood. Unfortunately to many officers any black person equals a criminal. That is racial bias and it is rampant in law enforcement. You just ignored it until this digital age when people are killed on camera but police have been killing black people for 100 years. You just didn't have it in your face back then like you do today.
 
Old 09-21-2016, 07:07 AM
 
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Yes- police brutality/excessive force exists, but it's not a racial issue. Police kill more white people than black people in both armed and unarmed situations. In fact, police killed twice as many white people than black people in 2015. "But wait, black people only make up 13% of the population!" Yes, that is true. However, that 13% of the population commits 62% of robberies, 57% of murders, and 45% of assaults (according to FBI stats). So, although black people only make up 13% of the population, they statistically have more run-ins with the police... and even after all that, more white people are killed by police.

For some reason, the media loves to stir up racial tension by reporting on only white on black or police on black brutality, but stays silent when the more common white on white brutality occurs. It's important to understand the facts before making some wild assumption that police are looking for any excuse they can to kill a black person



Absolutely right. The false narrative being pushed about how it is open season on blacks by the police is a complete lie
 
Old 09-21-2016, 07:08 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Now, now, let's try not to ruin outrage by introducing facts.
 
Old 09-21-2016, 07:13 AM
 
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The question is not if the police have open season on killing blacks but rather they refuse to believe many officers have racial bias toward blacks which translates to them being more willing to use lethal force. When you have a racial bias you are more willing to fire that lethal shot. This is the crux of the problem but many same crime rates among blacks justifies the bias.
 
Old 09-21-2016, 07:16 AM
 
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The numbers don't lie.

In the latest shooting in Tulsa and subsequent protest turn to riot and looting this time on a highway the looters were breaking into semi trucks the "victim" was shot by a cop.
Watching the video of what happened left me wondering if the victim was stupid. We can see 2 cops trailing the guy who has his hands up. There is no doubt that they are ordering him to stop and get down yet he continues to his car to get....
a weapon? his license? who knows and they shoot him out of fear.

If he had stopped and followed orders he would be alive today and if the Police had over stepped their bounds he could have his day in court.

I don't think police target black people but it is more a fact that they commit more crimes in dangerous areas were there is more of a police presence to catch them.
If the cops only patrolled safer white neighborhoods they would be accused of not caring about the black community.

If black people want to stop the killings Stop the crimes that bring the Police to your door and when they knock follow their orders and you will live another day.
 
Old 09-21-2016, 07:19 AM
 
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The question is not if the police have open season on killing blacks but rather they refuse to believe many officers have racial bias toward blacks which translates to them being more willing to use lethal force. When you have a racial bias you are more willing to fire that lethal shot. This is the crux of the problem but many same crime rates among blacks justifies the bias.
So racism against the masses is justified based on the actions of 1% of the population??

That was a rhetorical question to show how odd that it is that you would even consider that black people should be treated poorly based on some other individual who just happens to be black.

There is not justification for the bias. The bias is a part of our country due to its legacy of systematic racism. Blacks have been biased as being criminals since our ancestors were enslaved. Blacks were seen as criminals when whites committed various violent acts of terrorism against black Americans during the 19th and 20th centuries and while white men got away legally with raping black women and killing black people.

There is no justification for racial bias against black people. Anyone who tries to justify it is buying into racism and the view that blacks are inferior to whites plain and simple.
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