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The fourth amendment I think is more designed to protect your home and business. If you are out in public, walking on public sidewalks and driving on public highways you are not subject to the same rights as if you were at home.
I am for profiling and random searches. If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck and looks like a duck...search it. Protect the citizens.
Thousands and thousands of people killed in Chicago might mean nothing to you, and it may mean less to me but it does say something about our society. I would much rather all people learn to respect each other and stop killing each other.
If stop and frisk saves lives it's worth it.
Again....this is the same argument the gun control lobby uses.
I sure there has to be reasonable cause and most PD know exactly who are the trouble makers. Its not just if , but when these people will assault or rob a citizen.
Then their training sucks as the vast majority of people stopped ended up going on their way.
crime went down overwhelming in NEW YORK CITY, the biggest city in the U.S.A.......I say it works.
Of the 24 million interactions that New York police officers have with the public each year, about 500,000 — or 2 percent — involve a stop. The average officer on patrol makes about one stop every two weeks, hardly an excessive number.
A black Brooklyn detective with nearly 20 years on the job recently told the Daily News, “Stop-and-frisk is never about race. It’s about behavior.” If an officer sees someone acting in a manner that suggests a crime is afoot, he or she has an obligation to stop and question that person. That’s Policing 101, and it’s practiced all over the country. The difference is that in New York — unlike in many other cities — police officers are required to fill out a form every time they make a stop, identifying why the stop was made and the race of the person.
now if you only want the police to come out when the crime has already been committed then the criminals have won and why bother.
crime went down overwhelming in NEW YORK CITY, the biggest city in the U.S.A.......I say it works. Of the 24 million interactions that New York police officers have with the public each year, about 500,000 — or 2 percent — involve a stop. The average officer on patrol makes about one stop every two weeks, hardly an excessive number.
A black Brooklyn detective with nearly 20 years on the job recently told the Daily News, “Stop-and-frisk is never about race. It’s about behavior.” If an officer sees someone acting in a manner that suggests a crime is afoot, he or she has an obligation to stop and question that person. That’s Policing 101, and it’s practiced all over the country. The difference is that in New York — unlike in many other cities — police officers are required to fill out a form every time they make a stop, identifying why the stop was made and the race of the person. now if you only want the police to come out when the crime has already been committed then the criminals have won and why bother.
Not so fast...
In New York, the practice of stop-and-frisk is usually associated with Raymond Kelly's second stint as New York's police commissioner, which began in 2002. The number of stops recorded by New York police increased from 97,000 to 161,000 that year, and then nearly doubled the following year, according to police data obtained by the New York Civil Liberties Union.
At that time, New York City's crime rate of violent crime was already in decline. In 1990, there were nearly 31 homicides in the city for every 100,000 people — more than the average for other major American cities even in a year of frequent violence across the country. A decade later, that figure had declined by nearly 75 percent, to 8.4 homicides per 100,000 people. As New York police abruptly moved away from the practice of stop-and-frisk toward the end of Kelly's tenure in 2013, the rate of homicide continued to decline as it had previously. "To say that stop-and-frisk is the reason crime went down is wrong," said Peter Moskos, a former Baltimore police officer who is now a sociologist at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.
I sure there has to be reasonable cause and most PD know exactly who are the trouble makers. Its not just if , but when these people will assault or rob a citizen.
then why were so few who were stopped completely innocent?
In 2012, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 532,911 times
473,644 were totally innocent (89 percent).
284,229 were black (55 percent).
165,140 were Latino (32 percent).
50,366 were white (10 percent).
In 2013, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 191,558 times.
169,252 were totally innocent (88 percent).
104,958 were black (56 percent).
55,191 were Latino (29 percent).
20,877 were white (11 percent).
By the way he said certain city areas. I am not for this but if it is imposed in certain areas I would vote for that. We have to do a better Job in protecting the innocent people from those that have bad intentions. Detained sounds like held in jail or something. They where stopped and frisked. Yes there are going to be innocent people stopped if stop and frisk is in place.
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