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Old 09-22-2016, 10:07 PM
 
Location: US
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So you agree that everything Obama and the Democrats told us is a lie from day one. Pretty much par for the course. At least it's being admitted now. With the election coming up, the height of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. Elect a Democrat, you get more lying and less money in your pocket. America is screwed.

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Well, things are going according the the plan.
The ACA was designed to fail; just a first step to single-payer.
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Old 09-22-2016, 10:12 PM
 
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We're going to be getting single payer soon whether we like it or not. Might as well accept it because it's inevitable.
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Old 09-22-2016, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Not in the middle of a heated presidential election cycle it doesn't. Democrats deliberately sabotaged the American healthcare system and they need to be held accountable. Now they want the GOP to help and when the GOP says no Democrats will whine and scream through their buddies in the MSM that the whole mess is the Republicans fault.

The GOP better be ready.
Healthcare insurers have been consolidating through mergers and acquisistions for 25 years. And with each merger/ acquisistion, premiums have skyrocketed because of reduced competition. They make business decisions to leave some Individual Plan Markets. When that happens, the state's have had to scramble. Some have chosen to subsidize insurers who stay the course. Other states have made remaining in the Individual Plan market a condition of being licensed to sell auto or property insurance.

All of this preceded the ACA by decades.

In the for profit, publicly- traded sector the big 5 remain.

1) United Healthcare
2)Anthem
3) Aetna
4) Humana
5) Cigna

Their primary objective is to increase shareholder value.

Fewer bigger players means they are in stronger positions to negotiate with healthcare providers. It also means they are in a stronger position to charge higher premiums because there's not much competition left. This stuff predates the ACA.

They have been engaging in round robbin talks for years that will eventually reshape the healthcare insurance marketplace into 3 big box insurers. This will require DoJ approval which is uncertain. So what's a for profit insurer to do? Well you announce you are going to exit Obamacare exchanges in several already lean markets.

The ACA is the first federal healthcare legislation that sought to regulate/ cap the profit of healthcare insurers.
How does that work in a for profit model where your primary motivation is increasing shareholder value?

So in the midst of all this, it's to the benefit of Big Box Insurers to let the general public and in many cases, elected Senators and House Members perceive it's all about big bad Obamacare.

Let's review. The cost of healthcare in the US is the highest in the world. Other systems achieve equal or better outcomes, despite doing so for less. Why is this?

US people are fatter and more vulnerable to disease, Diabetes, Heart Disease, Stroke, some Cancers and joint deterioration.

The US pays more for prescription meds because Congress declines to regulate wholesale and retail prices.

With the exception of NZ, the US is the only country that allows Big Pharma to advertise a pill for what ails you.

While most hospitals and Cancer Treatment systems are not for profit, none are precluded from profiting. Some have $ hundreds of millions in annual profits a year. They simply cannot use those profits to declare dividends for shareholders. Instead they use these profits to build their brands and either acquire or destroy the competition and acquire medical practices.

Most healthcare insurers are for profit, publicly- traded corporations.

The US pays more for medical equipment than other countries.

A Congress historically more willing to protect special interests than the interest of the people.

No worries. Trump promised on 60 Minutes to " replace Obamacare with something wonderful that will take care of everybody and the government will pay for it"'. Too bad there's no substance behind his promise.
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Old 09-22-2016, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It's a LOT "to little, too late".

Let's not forget that we were all Gruber'd - they deliberately LIED to the US Citizens about ObamaCare.
Not only that - the Leftists and TeamObama would NOT allow any "fixes", because it's so convoluted and tied together ..... there can be NO "fixes" without opening up the entire mess of ObamaCare.

The Truth of the matter is ..... It can't be "fixed", it has to be repealed and replaced with something that might have a chance of actually working. It won't be easy.

On the Up-Side - I really think that both sides of the aisle understand that we have a segment of the population that have ongoing issues that need to be moved into a system that will cover the people that have "pre-conditions" that have traditionally been excluded from Traditional Insurance.

Nobody should be denied Insurance because they have a pre-diagnosed condition like Diabetes, Arthritis or a Kidney ailment (just to mention a few) ..... a separate pool/insurance for those folks. They are a minority. There has to be a better way - the Majority doesn't have those conditions, so this is an area where the Government can step up and let the Majority go into a pool that works for them.
Congress voted to repeal the ACA at least 62 times over the past 6.5 years. The first time was 9 months after its passage.

In the past 6.5 years, Republicans have not come up with an alternative to the ACA that gained any traction within party, let alone across the isle. This is despite that most legislators agreed that what existed before the ACA was broken.

What the hello has Congress done in the last 6.5 years to reduce the cost of healthcare, the root cause of premiums? It's tough for Congress critters to bit the wallets that feed them.
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Old 09-22-2016, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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So you agree that everything Obama and the Democrats told us is a lie from day one. Pretty much par for the course. At least it's being admitted now. With the election coming up, the height of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. Elect a Democrat, you get more lying and less money in your pocket. America is screwed.
Absolutely! We got Grubered.
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Old 09-22-2016, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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We're going to be getting single payer soon whether we like it or not. Might as well accept it because it's inevitable.
Once they have total control of our health care, they have complete control over us.
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Old 09-23-2016, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Can you provide a source to substantiate that "a $10,000 deductitable is the standard, now ".
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Old 09-23-2016, 07:24 AM
 
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ACA is 6.5 years old. That's a lifetime in terms of healthcare.

The rest of the developed world with Universal Healthcare update it annually and periodically reform it. Healthcare trumps politics.

Over here, the intent of a majority in Congress is to throw the baby out with the bathwater.


... more PROG "its not our fault we screwed you" attitude.
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Old 09-23-2016, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I've been in the insurance industry for a while and I can tell you that it's design was doomed from the get go. The intent, despite how noble it may have been, to bend the will of actuarial science to fit some pipe dream was never going to succeed. The notion that the sickest of us can ONLY be charged 3x that of the healthiest of us while driving down costs across the board just doesn't work out.
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Old 09-23-2016, 07:36 AM
 
Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Congress voted to repeal the ACA at least 62 times over the past 6.5 years. The first time was 9 months after its passage.

So, it looks like they were right...

It would have been better if it was repealed. The earlier the better.
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