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Old 03-27-2019, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Two options that the EU has made unequivocally clear are NOT open for discussion are a deal different from the one that Theresa May has presented, or a long delay without a clear reason for that delay, which basically comes down to a second referendum (revoking Article 50 would require no delay).

So any votes on proposals for a different deal with the EU or a delay without a reason that the the EU considers acceptable (a second referendum) are a nothing more than a waste of time.
Not necessarily. There is further negotiation with the EU still to do. Some of the votes are at least partially around parameters of the future relationship with the EU. Those negotiations haven't started yet. But they can't start until the UK leaves, so those votes are more a secondary consideration of what to do after the primary choice on how to leave is made (whatever that is).

 
Old 03-27-2019, 12:16 PM
 
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Not necessarily. There is further negotiation with the EU still to do. Some of the votes are at least partially around parameters of the future relationship with the EU. Those negotiations haven't started yet. But they can't start until the UK leaves, so those votes are more a secondary consideration of what to do after the primary choice on how to leave is made (whatever that is).
That's fine. As long as we can agree that these proposals are not the basis for requesting a further extension of the Brexit exit date. If they want to negotiate this or anything else with the EU after they formally are out of the EU, that is of course up to them.
 
Old 03-27-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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Breaking: May is out IF the current deal is delivered.

Says she will step down if they go ahead and hold the meaningful vote.


Meanwhile Bercow is acting as if he's the King of BRexit today.
 
Old 03-27-2019, 12:23 PM
 
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Breaking: May is out IF the current deal is delivered.

Says she will step down if they go ahead and hold the meaningful vote.
No, she said she would step down if they PASS the meaningful vote.

About that:
Brexit news - LIVE: John Bercow puts third meaningful vote in doubt

Important - John Bercow also says the government should not contemplate bringing forward a third meaningful vote unless it can demonstrate "change" to the Brexit deal. He said: "I understand that the government may be thinking of bringing MV3 either before the House either tomorrow or on Friday if it opts to sit that day. I wish to make clear that I do expect the government to meet the test of change. They should not seek to circumvent my ruling."

He says the Table Office has been told not to accept motions that could overturn his ruling last week.
 
Old 03-27-2019, 12:38 PM
 
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The eight indicative votes (non-binding) are scheduled to start in about a half hour. Here is the live video of the UK Parliament:



They are apparently going to vote on all eight questions simultaneously, so it will probably be an hour or more before the vote counts are tabulated and announced.
 
Old 03-27-2019, 12:54 PM
 
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No, she said she would step down if they PASS the meaningful vote.
That is what "deal is delivered" means.
 
Old 03-27-2019, 12:56 PM
 
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The eight indicative votes (non-binding) are scheduled to start in about a half hour. Here is the live video of the UK Parliament:

They are apparently going to vote on all eight questions simultaneously, so it will probably be an hour or more before the vote counts are tabulated and announced.
Just two days before the original deadline they're still holding multiple votes to try to figure out what the hell to do. And votes that are non-binding, as well, so really, what's the point?

And these are the same people who are saying, trust us! We know what we're doing! Post-Brexit is going to be great, really! Just as soon as we figure out how the hell to accomplish it. What a joke.

I thought the U.S. looked like the most incompetent and bumbling government on the planet right now, but I think the Brits have us beat. And that's saying a lot.
 
Old 03-27-2019, 12:57 PM
 
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OK so voting has started, 5 minutes early. They have 30 minutes to vote on all the options. The vote procedure is quite different than normal.
 
Old 03-27-2019, 12:57 PM
 
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That is what "deal is delivered" means.
So for the conditions of Theresa May's proposed resignation to be achieved, the May government and the UK Parliament must first successfully override Bercow's ruling, and then vote to pass Theresa May's deal, even though it has already been voted down by triple-digits on two separate occasions. Of course everyone can do as they please here, but I would not advise holding your breath.
 
Old 03-27-2019, 12:58 PM
 
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OK so voting has started, 5 minutes early. They have 30 minutes to vote on all the options. The vote procedure is quite different than normal.
Yeah, they are voting on all eight questions simultaneously.
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