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The way things are going, ol' Boris may not even survive as UK leader until October 1st, let alone implement Brexit. His position is far weaker than May's was.
And you believe the "opinion" of a CNN analyst (contradiction in terms) because........
There isn't one shred of proof, beyond that crank's personal opinion, which doesn't seem to be based in any relevant fact, that would prove any of it true. Feel free to point out otherwise. Those liars simply make up nonsense to fit their narrative.
Otherwise, as we have already discussed in this topic, there's no possibility that the government is going to be dissolved and a general election called. Why? Because it absolutely guarantees a no deal BRexit.
They just said on the news that early elections are more and more likely.
Would be cool, because they would show how much (or little) support Johnson really enjoys among the general population.
And you believe the "opinion" of a CNN analyst (contradiction in terms) because........
There isn't one shred of proof, beyond that crank's personal opinion, which doesn't seem to be based in any relevant fact, that would prove any of it true. Feel free to point out otherwise. Those liars simply make up nonsense to fit their narrative.
Otherwise, as we have already discussed in this topic, there's no possibility that the government is going to be dissolved and a general election called. Why? Because it absolutely guarantees a no deal BRexit.
Isn't that what Boris is saying - -there is going to be a no deal Brexit. I just assumed that was the whole reason May left. She wasn't going to do a no deal Brexit so she was out. Boris was in because he's happy to do a no deal.
I've read that there is more likely going to be an election (not on CNN - -some British site -- may have been BBC but not sure -- could have been a news report on ITV.....).
They just said on the news that early elections are more and more likely.
Would be cool, because they would show how much (or little) support Johnson really enjoys among the general population.
They just said on the news that early elections are more and more likely.
Would be cool, because they would show how much (or little) support Johnson really enjoys among the general population.
Even with a successful no confidence motion, it would be extremely tight to organise a general election before 31 October. MPs did not call a confidence vote before Westminster went on its summer break. That means 3 September, when Parliament next sits, is now the earliest opportunity to do so.
Assuming the confidence vote is held and passed the next day, the 14-day period the government has to win back support would expire on 18 September. If that happens, the prime minister could choose to call the election the next day. That would mean dissolving Parliament on 20 September, signalling the start of the five week campaign.
The House of Commons Library told the BBC, that such an scenario would leave Friday 25 October as the earliest possible election day - less than one week before Brexit day. To hold an election on a day other than a Thursday would be extremely unusual. In fact, you have to go back to Tuesday 27 October 1931 to find the last time this happened.
Could the prime minister speed things up?
A compliant prime minister could speed things up. Instead of having a 14-day period after losing any no confidence motion, the prime minister could decide to call an election. He would still need the votes of at least 66% of MPs, but that would trim two weeks off the election timetable.
Could the prime minister slow things down?
If, on the other hand, the prime minister was determined to leave the EU on 31 October, he could try to delay things. "Even if a vote of no confidence was successful, it doesn't guarantee the election will happen before Brexit day," says Catherine Haddon, from the Institute for Government think tank.
That's because the prime minister controls the timetable. "For example, they could extend the wash-up [the period where some unfinished Parliamentary business is dealt with] before Parliament is dissolved," she says. By doing this, the election could be pushed into November - by which point the UK would have already left the EU.
So ultimately, it is in the hands of the prime minster, rather than Parliament, to guarantee an election before Brexit is due to happen.
So, the only way that an early election could stop a no deal Brexit at this point is if they call the no-confidence motion on September 3 - immediately when they get back from break - and the Parliament votes the next day. And THEN Boris Johnson would need to cooperate and go along by doing everything within his power to rush the election, so that it happens before October 31.
FYI, it does not appear that Boris Johnson will do that. And it is also not at all clear that the Parliament will be willing to even try this, much less pull it off.
If he tried a no-deal Brexit against the will of the majority, he and his party would be flushed down the toilet in the election. And after that a new government might find ways to undo the Brexit with the help of the EU.
If he tried a no-deal Brexit against the will of the majority, he and his party would be flushed down the toilet in the election. And after that a new government might find ways to undo the Brexit with the help of the EU.
It is very likely either Brexit without a deal or no Brexit.
So, Brexit or no Brexit, that is the question. The people voted for Brexit and Boris Johnson appears to be dedicated to giving it to them. Good for him.
In the first byelection with Bortis as PM, the voters dropped the Tory and went for the Liberal Democrat instead. Interestingly, the Brexit Party appears to have split the vote a bit - I'm sure there's a thank you note to Farage in the mail.
I very much like the fact that the Monster Raving Loony Party - pardon, the Official Monster Raving Loony Party - outperformed the UKIP.
So, the only way that an early election could stop a no deal Brexit at this point is if they call the no-confidence motion on September 3 - immediately when they get back from break - and the Parliament votes the next day. And THEN Boris Johnson would need to cooperate and go along by doing everything within his power to rush the election, so that it happens before October 31.
FYI, it does not appear that Boris Johnson will do that. And it is also not at all clear that the Parliament will be willing to even try this, much less pull it off.
YUP. Despite what the cranks at the American and some British MSM want to put forth. If they put forth a vote of NC as I said above, and they hand Boris the keys for a No Deal.
And in doing so, both the Tory and Labour parties will be eviscerated by Farage and the other smaller parties. So even with the Tory margin of just 1, it will take the leadership of one of the other parties to decide to pull down the government and I don't think any of them will do it. They lose their position immediately when they do it.
This is Boris's game now. Everyone knows it including Europe which is terrified of a No Deal.
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