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Those who think there will be no problem with the Irish border need to contact the UK government immediately, and assure them there will be no container log jam at the ports.
All they have to do is tell everyone to deal with the paperwork when the goods reach their destination.
Why would there be a problem with the Irish border.
If there's a deal there will be no hard border, if there's no deal there will be no hard border.
Britain is a maritime nation we have numerous ports and links to Europe and indeed the world, we are also used to the French being on strike and air traffic control strikes in Europe.
Those who think there will be no problem with the Irish border need to contact the UK government immediately, and assure them there will be no container log jam at the ports. All they have to do is tell everyone to deal with the paperwork when the goods reach their destination
What in the world are you even talking about? It's got nothing to do with the actual crossing.
What in the world are you even talking about? It's got nothing to do with the actual crossing.
There are lots of ports indeed "according to the Department for Transport, 94 percent of trade and traffic passing through UK ports moves through ports other than Dover. The perceived problems our ports are facing are often overstated, and in some cases unfounded".
I was asked what the UK wanted, that's what it's had forever, whether it wants it enough to remain in the customs union was not the question. Further control of your borders means just that, you can choose to enforce or not a border and customs at that border.
What you're presenting isn't even involving the UK Govt. They don't decide how the EU enforces border controls, so have no say in how Ireland will enforce or not their borders.
Good observation. So if Ireland wants to enforce this border, with or without EU assistance, they can. Without an agreement from the UK to adopt that responsibility on themselves, it will be up to the EU to see to it.
Meanwhile, the UK will implement any tariffs that it determines are appropriate on goods entering the UK from Ireland and the EU in whatever manner the UK sees fit.
Good observation. So if Ireland wants to enforce this border, with or without EU assistance, they can. Without an agreement from the UK to adopt that responsibility on themselves, it will be up to the EU to see to it. Meanwhile, the UK will implement any tariffs that it determines are appropriate on goods entering the UK from Ireland and the EU in whatever manner it sees fit.
NO! The Irish government has absolutely no say in it. They gave that right to Brussels.
The Backstop actually prevents what you said. It prevents the UK from implementing ANY tarriffs because Northern Ireland remains in the EU customs union. And because the UK can't treat Northern Ireland different from the rest of the UK, it effectively means the EU Customs Union is imposed over the UK. The UK 'ceeds control to Brussels over Trade. This is the true problem with the Backstop.
This IS the only way the EU will agree to BRexit with a deal. i.e. The Backstop must be in place. It's unacceptable to the UK.
Not to worry. There will be no problems at borders, everything will be free flowing after Brexit.
Also, lots of WTO trade agreements favorable to the UK will be negotiated in no time.
It's all good.
The US exports $501 Billion to the EU every year under WTO Rukes, with no problems at any borders, China does the same, as do lots of other countries.
Once again -
There isn't going to be a hard border in Ireland in any circumstances whilst "according to the Department for Transport, 94 percent of trade and traffic passing through UK ports moves through ports other than Dover. The perceived problems our ports are facing are often overstated, and in some cases unfounded".
There are 120 commercial seaports in the UK.
There are also numerous ports in Europe where goods can be handled, indeed trhere is no need for any problems at all, it's just an EU strategy. Do you think the $501 Billion worth of US goods exported to the EU are somehow held up at ports for days. No they are in and out of Rotterdam in hours. The US doesn't have a free trade agreement with the EU, neither does China and lots of other countries.
Project Fear seems to have forgotten that Britain is a maritime nation and an island full of ports, and we also have numerous airports and more airfielfds than you can imagine largely due to WW2 and the Cold War. Vast numbers of Ships come in to the UK from across theentire world every single day, with numerous goods and even more will be encouraged after we leave the EU and start trading more freely with other nations.
NO! The Irish government has absolutely no say in it. They gave that right to Brussels.
The Backstop actually prevents what you said. It prevents the UK from implementing ANY tarriffs because Northern Ireland remains in the EU customs union. And because the UK can't treat Northern Ireland different from the rest of the UK, it effectively means the EU Customs Union is imposed over the UK. The UK 'ceeds control to Brussels over Trade. This is the true problem with the Backstop.
This IS the only way the EU will agree to BRexit with a deal. i.e. The Backstop must be in place. It's unacceptable to the UK.
What backstop do you refer to?
The ONE that was kicked out of the house of commons with the biggest defeat in parliamentary history?
I wish I had counted the number of times BNW has posted the exact same information, even down to the exact same links.
Not to worry BNW, it's all good. In less than two months, the money will start flowing in and the UK economy and pound will quit dropping.
And all those folks worrying about the log jam at the ports are just trying to scare folks.
Forward ever.
I am not woried in the slightest.
Btw there are 120 Commercial Seaports in the UK and there are numerous ports in Europe.
Immingham/Grimsby is a vast port in Northern England, and is being expanded, London Gateway is relatively new and vast, London Tilbury is being extended, Harwich is a large port, Felixstowe is a vast container port in Suffolk, Southanpton is a major port on the South Coast,Tesside/Harlepool is another vast in the North of England , Bristol is yet another in the South West along with Port Talbot/Newport, then you have Belfast in NI and the likes of Liverpool, Plymouth, Dover/Folkestone/Rammsgate Newcastle (Tyne), Glasgow/Clyde, Edinburgh/Forth, Aberdeen and numerous others.
These ports are right around the coastline of the UK and serve vast number of ships from across the world.
The US and China don't have any problems when it comes to trading under WTO Rules in relation to British and European ports, neither does any other nation.
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