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This is a big day today, guys. Theresa May promised for some reason that there would be a second vote on the deal her government negotiated with the EU, which was voted down the first time by over a 2-1 margin. I think she was expecting to have a revised deal to vote on. However, despite some additional clarifications provided by the EU yesterday, the changes appear to be cosmetic only and they do not provide the assurances needed to garner any material additional support from Members of Parliament.
Here is a link to an article at the UK Guardian about the revisions provided by the EU yesterday:
However, her Attorney General launched the nukes at these changes, as he published a letter that concluded that "The legal risk remains unchanged" for the revised deal. The language around this was a bit salty, so please avert your eyes if that is a problem for you:
“The legal risk remains unchanged that if through no such demonstrable failure of either party, but simply because of intractable differences, that situation does arise, the United Kingdom would have, at least while the fundamental circumstances remained the same, no internationally lawful means of exiting the Protocol’s arrangements, save by agreement.”
So this is not looking good. Anyway, whatever happened to that group of seven conservative attorneys that the ERG group had assembled to review the veracity of any revised deal in advance of the vote?
Could the prospects for passage of this "revised" deal look any worse at this point? I really am not sure how they could.
In any case, at no point has anyone actually expected this to pass on this day, without the EU agreeing to a firm end date for the backstop provisions, which they have not provided. They still could. I am still holding out hope that they will, because it is the responsible thing for them to do. But clouds are very dark over this deal right now, that is for sure.
So if this deal is voted down again as expected, then there will be a vote tomorrow on leaving with no deal (which will not stop the UK from leaving with no deal, even if the Parliament votes against it) and then the next day on whether to request a short extension, which also will not happen unless the EU agrees and which the EU has repeatedly stated that they will not provide under these circumstances.
But who knows. The only one of these votes expected to pass is the short extension request, which will then likely depend on the extent of the EU's extortion requirements, if the EU is willing to consider this request favorably at all.
What a cluster**** this whole thing as turned into. I feel bad for the Brits. They put this train into motion and now they are headed for the cliff and it seems there is no stopping it from going over and landing in a huge splat at the bottom.
This is what not turning out to vote will get you, especially during a time when populism is high. We are suffering from the results of the same voter apathy here in the U.S., but at least we can correct our error in 2020. The Brits seemed to have screwed themselves big time.
Any time a purportedly free people stands up to the establishment it should be of interest to all of us.
Exactly right. And despite all the turmoil, the UK is still on track for a no-deal Brexit. Something would have to be agreed to by all parties for that to change.
Any time a purportedly free people stands up to the establishment it should be of interest to all of us.
And any time a populist movement takes a country over a cliff it should be of interest to us all. Let's hope we're all paying attention here in the U.S. as this cluster**** unfolds across the pond, and try to keep the U.S. from suffering a similar fate.
And any time a populist movement takes a country over a cliff it should be of interest to us all. Let's hope we're all paying attention here in the U.S. as this cluster**** unfolds across the pond, and try to keep the U.S. from suffering a similar fate.
The word 'populist" is from the same root word as the word "population". As in "We the people".
The alternative to "populism" is "elitism," which most people will agree has not served us very well at all.
To the extent this exercise has turned into a "cluster****," that is because the elites have sabotaged it as they try to undermine the implementation of the will of the people.
The word 'populist" is from the same root word as the word "population". As in "We the people".
The alternative to "populism" is "elitism," which most people will agree has not served us very well at all.
So your answer is to throw the baby out with the bathwater. How is that working out for you?
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Originally Posted by Spartacus713
To the extent this exercise has turned into a "cluster****," that is because the elites have sabotaged it as they try to undermine the implementation of the will of the people.
They started this with no clear idea of how to bring it over the finish line. And now here you are, literally days away from exiting and no one knows what the hell is going to happen. It's a cluster**** of your own making.
Enjoy the fallout. I suspect it's not going to be fun.
And any time a populist movement takes a country over a cliff it should be of interest to us all. Let's hope we're all paying attention here in the U.S. as this cluster**** unfolds across the pond, and try to keep the U.S. from suffering a similar fate.
Because of course self determination is a fate none of us should suffer, right?
What a cluster**** this whole thing as turned into. I feel bad for the Brits. They put this train into motion and now they are headed for the cliff and it seems there is no stopping it from going over and landing in a huge splat at the bottom.
This is what not turning out to vote will get you, especially during a time when populism is high. We are suffering from the results of the same voter apathy here in the U.S., but at least we can correct our error in 2020. The Brits seemed to have screwed themselves big time.
That's kind of like blaming the messiness of the U.S. Civil War on the slaves, for being so uppity as to want their freedom. If Brexit is indeed a "cluster****" as you say, I place the blame squarely on the European Union.
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