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Old 03-12-2019, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Originally Posted by WaldoKitty View Post
How silly. Both sides have already agreed they'd operate under existing WTO rules.
Even with that understanding comes the understanding that those rules are VERY different from the current integrated rules they now follow as a member of the EU and this will thus cause massive disruption and problems until new trade deals can be put in place.

 
Old 03-12-2019, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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OK, I think I have been following all of this pretty closely, but I am not sure what you are referring to with a third vote. The first vote failed by over a 2-1 margin. The vote today might improve those numbers slightly, but it looks like it will be nowhere near enough.

Tomorrow the Parliament votes specifically on backing Brexit with no deal (failure to pass this will not keep the UK from exiting with no deal) and then if that fails, as expected, they will vote to request a short extension, not past June of this year.

There is no "third vote" that is actually planned, as far as I am aware. Do you have a link to a source that can confirm plans for a "third vote"?

Also, possible future Prime Minister Boris Johnson weighs in:
5.30pm update: Boris Johnson says no-deal ‘only safe route’ for Britain

Brexiteer and major Vote Leave player Boris Johnson has told the House of Commons the “only safe route” for the Uk to leave the EU is for a no-deal Brexit. He told the House: “This deal has now reached the end of the road. If it is rejected tonight, I hope that it will be put to bed.” He added there is no need for a hard border in Northern Ireland.
Downing Street is already making plans for a third “meaningful vote”.
 
Old 03-12-2019, 12:30 PM
 
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Downing Street is already making plans for a third “meaningful vote”.
On what? This again? That makes no sense. Why on Earth would they want to do that?
 
Old 03-12-2019, 12:31 PM
 
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Even with that understanding comes the understanding that those rules are VERY different from the current integrated rules they now follow as a member of the EU and this will thus cause massive disruption and problems until new trade deals can be put in place.
Opinion given as fact. So far not one bit of fear mongering by the dishonest globalist MSM against BRexit, has come true.
 
Old 03-12-2019, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Opinion given as fact. So far not one bit of fear mongering by the dishonest globalist MSM against BRexit, has come true.
What a dumb statement. Why would it have?

Britain is still part of the EU, there has been no exit yet.
 
Old 03-12-2019, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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On what? This again? That makes no sense. Why on Earth would they want to do that?
Because the whole issue hinges on legal technicalities, which are being argued out by lawyers.

The Governments Lawyer is the Attornry General Geoffrey Cox, who was a Queen's Counsel (a top Barrister) and on the Labour side the Shadow Brexit Minister is Keir Starmer, who was also a former Queen's Counsel and former Director of Publuc Prosecutions.

Both are well versed in the law and both have indicated some problems with the current legal assurances given by the EU, and their opinions are seen as crucial, especialy that of the Attorney General.

May could lose tonights vote and go back to Europe one more time to try and get even further guarantees, despite the EU saying this is their final decision, indeed the EU said that last time.

A third vote with more concrete guarantees laid out in a signed document may lead to better reassurances from the Attorney General, and allow for one final throw of the dice.

It's all down to the Lawyers now and intil the EU can produce something that the Lawyers are happy with then the politicians are not going to back it. The ball is back in the EU's court, as they can't expect us to adhere to something when legal advice clearlt urges caution.

The EU may have to draw uo further significant guarantees, that are legally enforceable as part of any deal, which is why a thord vote might be necessary.

BREXIT CHAOS: How Geoffrey Cox delivered a HAMMER BLOW and toppled May's plan - The Express

“The backstop risk is unchanged”: Geoffrey Cox's full legal advice - The Spectator


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Old 03-12-2019, 01:00 PM
 
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Because the whole issue hinges on legal technicalities, being argued oit by lawyers.

The Governments Lawyer is the Attornry General Geoffrey Cox, who was a Queen's Counsel (a top Barrister) and on the Labour side the Shadow Brexit Minister is Keir Starmer, who was also a former Queen's Counsel and former Director of Publuc Prosecutions.

Both are well versed in the law and both have indicated some problems with the current legal assurances given by the EU, and their opinions are seen as crucial, especialy that of the Attorney General.

May could lose tonights vote and go back to Europe one more time to try and get even further guarantees, despite the EU saying this is their final decision, indeed the EU said that last time.

A third vote with more concrete guarantees laid out in a signed document may lead to better reassurances from the Attorney General, and allow for one final throw of the dice.

BREXIT CHAOS: How Geoffrey Cox delivered a HAMMER BLOW and

“The backstop risk is unchanged”: Geoffrey Cox's full legal advice

OK, I see. And I believe that could happen. Basically the EU will have to give in at this point and provide a hard end date for the backstop. Then another vote would certainly be warranted. However, if it is just more of the lawyers trying to be clever, then there is no point in holding another vote and I do not believe in that circumstance that there will be one.

They are just starting the vote right now, by the way.
 
Old 03-12-2019, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Great Britain
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OK, I see. And I believe that could happen. Basically the EU will have to give in at this point and provide a hard end date for the backstop. Then another vote would certainly be warranted. However, if it is just more of the lawyers trying to be clever, then there is no point in holding another vote and I do not believe in that circumstance that there will be one.

They are just starting the vote right now, by the way.
The EU will have to satisfy both the Governments Lawyer, in Attorney General Geoffrey Cox, and in bterms of the opposition Keir Starmer.

You wouldn't sign an insurance policy for a house if you weren't happy with the small print, never mind an internation agreement that could effect the future of an entire country.

In the end it's down to the EU to produce legally binding assurance, that the lawyers are happy with, and once the lawyers give their advice and are happy with everything, then Parliament is more likely to pass the legislation.

Nobodyis going to sign a document that their lawyer wasn't totally happy with and gives advice stating this, it's just common sense.
 
Old 03-12-2019, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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The NO's have it.
 
Old 03-12-2019, 01:23 PM
 
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Ayes to the right - 242
Noes to the left - 391

The motion is defeated.
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