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Old 09-27-2016, 12:05 PM
 
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Because the Alt-Right falls squarely into the "basket of deplorables"????
Well, if the shoe fits. It's beliefs are unquestionablyly deplorable. It is the sort of group that I applaud Clinton for calling out.
No doubt they are Trump supporters, although most Trump supporters are not followers of this sort of belief system.

 
Old 09-27-2016, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Hillary should thank the alt-right. Without them she could have never won the Presidency.
 
Old 09-27-2016, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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... Because whites have no rights. We just have to accede to any and all racial aggression.

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Why you poor thing. How you must suffer from the total lack of rights you have.
 
Old 09-27-2016, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I just read the first page of this thread. It was enough to make me certain that I am a certified member of the past, present and future LEFT.
 
Old 09-27-2016, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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No one argues that people that are from different cultures behave differently. The argument is loony liberals on the left who blame all differences on discrimination and racists on the right who blame it on genetics versus intelligent people who recognize culture is the driving factor.
I agree somewhat.

However, just because some differences can be chalked up to nurture (cultural), does not mean that other differences aren't due to nature (genetics)

Acknowledging that there are some differences that are genetically driven is in no way racist in and of itself.

It's the societal implications of what those differences may be that drives whether or not they are deemed racist in nature.....

This is how the PC thought process indicts "wrong think" and makes instances of unkind truths so socially unacceptable that very thought that something that might hurt someone's feelings could actually be based in truth literally unthinkable/unspeakable.
 
Old 09-27-2016, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Earth
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No one argues that people that are from different cultures behave differently. The argument is loony liberals on the left who blame all differences on discrimination and racists on the right who blame it on genetics versus intelligent people who recognize culture is the driving factor.
Correct.
 
Old 09-27-2016, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I ...try to be a realist vs an idealist in all matters.

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And to many of us, that's a problem. It doesn't have to be either/or. One can aim for idealism while balancing that with realism. It's not an either/or, it's a continuum.
 
Old 09-27-2016, 12:44 PM
 
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Which was baloney. National Socialism is socialism. The only difference was that one needed to be considered racially pure. I suppose this is where the dim witted liberals cannot differentiate from the concept the Alt-right has which is culture. When cultures and ways are common, and socially understood, there is no need for government and regulations. Culture tends to weaken government and central rule. This is efficient and prevents silly wedge issues that take up all the political oxygen, naturally. Liberal morons on the other hand become useful idiots for divide and rule . They can have us debate burkas while they run off with big bags of money.

Thus the race issue is a lie. The Alt-right desire is to prevent divide and rule.Another distinguishing feature of alt-right from leftist Nazis is the idea of cultural supremacy . The left believes in multicultural supremacy while the alt-right has much more cultural relativism. If Costa Rica want to maintain a local culture , so be it. Leftists in NYC on the other hand want to know how many gay parades they had last year. Germany believed in German cultural supremacy. Thus again the left is very Nazi like in its beliefs and tactics.

Going from the specific to the general is usually a sign of ignorance of the facts.

Protectionism was typically a leftist position. You are woefully low on information. Ralph Nader is not typically known as on the right.

Ralph Nader on Free Trade



There are 4 forms of government establishment. It is basically the same as Hobbs, but I add a forth. The only real difference beyond that is scale. There is a rule of the one, the few, the many( or most) , and the all. These four groups then choose the scope of government. In this country there is little debate over the establishment. We all agree on a democratically elected republic. So to that extent neither qualifies as fascism.

The political debate is the role of government. The left position is redistribution and social control. They want the government to plan the society socially. About the only thing the alt-right might want more of, but hardly a distinguishing feature is law and order. That would be more socially conservative. Thus the left is not the epitome of Nazism. We see the same central planning, the same social engineering, the same demonization and dehumanization of the opposition.

Conclusion : The left are very Nazi like , with the exception of democratically electing central planners.
The Nazis were leftist liberals! LMAO!!! Really? I have heard it all now! The Nazi's were far right. They were the party of the military and the top industrialists. Hitler, Ludendorff, Goering, were all military men. Ludendorff was one of Germany's top WW1 generals, Goering was Germany's WW1 air force commander, a role he filled again in WW2, Hitler was a corporal who had spent four years in the trenches of WW1, won the Iron Cross, and been wounded in a gas attack. The Nazi's came to power in the 1932 election with the solid backing of the top military brass and the industrialists, and the middle class, whose economic woes the Nazi's scapegoated on minorities and, yes, wait for it...the poor. The Social Democrats were the party of the left, of the poor and the blue collar workers.
A leftist in Nazi Germany would have had to remain quiet or go into deep hiding. Advocacy for the rights of minorities, questioning doctrines of racial superiority, questioning whether the top industrialists were corralling too much of the nation's wealth, advocating free and independent labor unions, or advocating virtually any other liberal position would not have endeared one to the officials.

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Old 09-27-2016, 12:49 PM
 
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What blather.
Thanks for the prologue.


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Leftists aren't nationalists. Leftists are globalists. Nationalism and Globalism are philosophical opposites.
So the Chinese are on the right?


There have been plenty of socialist nationalists , especially Nazi Germany.

The Globalists use leftists because it gives them control. I have no reason to believe that some them do not have tribalism. .
 
Old 09-27-2016, 01:16 PM
 
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Thanks for the prologue.




So the Chinese are on the right?


There have been plenty of socialist nationalists , especially Nazi Germany.

The Globalists use leftists because it gives them control. I have no reason to believe that some them do not have tribalism. .
When the Chinese push nationalism, they are on the right.

The nationalist socialist party in Germany was right-leaning. The Socialist Democrats were left-leaning. Which is why Hitler targeted them.
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