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Old 09-29-2016, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
A retroactive statute has known and unknown future ramifications.

Can it be proven that a network of Saudis supported al Qaeda and link the network to 9/11 and then to the Royal Kingdom? No one knows.

I suspect there is no end to people who have been negatively impacted by US meddling/ bombs and some will welcome the opportunity to sue and settle with the US.
The recent documents (28 Pages) from the 9/11 investigation that were recently declassified show a degree of Saudi connections to the hijackers and others, but not enough proof to make a case.
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Old 09-29-2016, 08:37 AM
 
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Yemen, Iran, Egypt, Iran, Philippines, Nicaragua, Panama, Cuba, Vietnam, El Salvador, Honduras,
That's the short list, the US may need to declare bankruptcy.


The only good thing was that the senate finally came together in bipartisan support 97-1, and here we thought they couldn't agree on anything. I am sure some voted with conviction but this is obviously about being reelected, it would have been nice to see some show some courage and do what is right for the country instead of their campaign.
That's even more unanimous than the vote to repeal the Glass–Steagall Act. Amazing.


And likely just as dangerous.
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Old 09-29-2016, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Should have been done with Obamacare.
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Old 09-29-2016, 08:42 AM
 
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There's a stark difference between military action and funding terrorists.

WE have agreements with all of the countries we are in, which is why Obama pulled the troops from Iraq when there was no agreement renewal.

The way this bill is written it will not open that Pandora's box.

"The way this bill is written" is only a limitation on how US citizens can sue other governments.


It breaks, however, a convention that governments would not allow their citizens to sue the US government, meaning that other governments can retaliate by allowing their citizens to sue the US...and their laws might not be written with the same kinds of restrictions.
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Old 09-29-2016, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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by passing this law only proves how American's can no longer view a much larger picture.

You've heard of the expression, opening a can of worms....

when you pass laws, no one can see the unforeseen, until it happens....

but when you pass a law like this, that opens the world to pose law suits on us, if we go to war with someone, if we torture someone for information....this is wrong...and will only add more stress to an already stressed America.

I hope it doesn't pass....and yes, I feel the pain of these families, but this is not the way for these families to obtain financial restitution...it will only hurt us, more then help them. Sorry to say.
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Old 09-29-2016, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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That's even more unanimous than the vote to repeal the Glass–Steagall Act. Amazing.


And likely just as dangerous.
I don't believe some of the senators thought it would go this far, and once the ball was rolling who wants to be the first senator to go up against the 9/11 families. There was absolutely almost no debate, reminds me of the vote to use force in Iraq back in 2002.

Amazing, our congress at work!
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There were swift complications. Within hours of their vote, nearly 30 senators signed a letter expressing some reservations about the potential consequences of the law, including the prospect that the United States could face lawsuits in foreign courts “as a result of important military or intelligence activities.”


The White House and some lawmakers were already plotting how they could weaken the law in the near future, although there was general pessimism on Wednesday that Congress would agree to any changes. “You got to find consensus,” said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, after the vote. “Then you need a vehicle.”





http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/29/us...=top-news&_r=0

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Old 09-29-2016, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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What's our agreement with Syria?
I didn't know we had troops in Syria. Do you know something nobody else does?

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I don't believe some of the senators thought it would go this far, and once the ball was rolling who wants to be the first senator to go up against the 9/11 families. There was absolutely almost no debate, reminds me of the vote to use force in Iraq back in 2002.

Amazing, our congress at work!
Just more proof they are two sides of the same coin. "I was for it before I was against it" comes to mind.

Ironic how HRC (and Lester Holt) kept hammering Trump for his claim he was against the war in Iraq, which he was and not as a politician... while nothing was said about how Hillary voted to go to war in Iraq, doesn't own the fact, and still blames GWB. Nothing but BS and lies from vote w%ores.

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"The way this bill is written" is only a limitation on how US citizens can sue other governments.


It breaks, however, a convention that governments would not allow their citizens to sue the US government, meaning that other governments can retaliate by allowing their citizens to sue the US...and their laws might not be written with the same kinds of restrictions.
There's no convention of ours that these countries would follow. This is nothing that will change anything for these families. They'll sue in American courts and if they win those countries will not pay them. This is all for show and a vote, and will not change a thing.
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That's even more unanimous than the vote to repeal the Glass–Steagall Act. Amazing.
And likely just as dangerous.
The ultimate goal seems to be the same for both parties. The repeal of Glass-Steagall handed the keys to the casino for banks to over leverage and sell toxic bets. It crashed the world and redistributed trillions to the wealthy from the middle class... and not a single banker went to jail.

I don't see how this could be even remotely as bad as that.

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Old 09-30-2016, 04:27 AM
 
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His own party in the Congress is worried about being re-elected. Obama is not.


This legislation is popular because it makes us feel good about getting "payback", not because it's a smart idea.

This legislation is great, as we are a nation of laws. Obama wanted us held hostage as the Saudis were threatening payback.


We should not ever negotiate with terrorists, which is what they acted like.
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Old 09-30-2016, 04:31 AM
 
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The spy community was against the vote so I have to figure it was a good thing. Any group that constantly argues against the civil rights of American's obviously does not have the best interests of the country as their number one concern.
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Old 09-30-2016, 05:29 AM
 
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The spy community was against the vote so I have to figure it was a good thing. Any group that constantly argues against the civil rights of American's obviously does not have the best interests of the country as their number one concern.
It's not just "spy community," it's folk who spend their time studying these movements and relationships. Probably the major worry is that the Saudis may dump the Nixon petrodollar agreement they've held with the US since 1972. That's unlikely and it would be extreme, but Saudi Arabia has its fingernails so deeply into the flesh of the US economy that they can make us feel whatever economic pain is inflicted on them.
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