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Old 12-03-2016, 08:51 PM
 
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Donald Trump is thus far silent on Twitter regarding Duterte. Hmm....
Sucking up to Tiger Woods is his current Twitter priority. Duterte isn't going to attract golfers to a Trump course.
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Old 12-04-2016, 01:44 AM
 
Location: zooland 1
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Pot.no...we are too invested in it...every dollar due

Sure..execute hard drug dealers..I could probably get behind that if used properly

Risk vs reward...

Harm vs reality

The true cost?
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Old 12-04-2016, 01:53 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Pot.no...we are too invested in it...every dollar due

Sure..execute hard drug dealers..I could probably get behind that if used properly

Risk vs reward...

Harm vs reality

The true cost?
The only reason to take the life of another is in defense of property or defense of anothers life. Anything other reason is deplorable.
But then again rights mean very little to some. You say you're a cop? Then act like one. Quit promoting the desecration of our rights and start defending them like an honorable cop would.
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Old 12-04-2016, 02:03 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Based on who he tapped as AG, he supports a very strict approach to eradicating drugs. Obviously, he won't order DEA to murder drug users (I hope), but there is a good chance legal pot is a thing of the past, and that prisons will be full of drug users again.
That's a good thing. Drug users are the pimples on the a*s of society. We've been fighting drugs the wrong way from the get go. Go after the customers and the business will dry up. Who mugs people? Who robs homes? Who steals from their families? Not drug dealers. Drug users do. Who spreads AIDS? Not drug dealers but drug users. Who neglects their kids?

Build drug user prisons instead of putting them with other criminals. They can be rehabbed there.
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Old 12-04-2016, 02:57 AM
 
Location: Texas
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That's a good thing. Drug users are the pimples on the a*s of society. We've been fighting drugs the wrong way from the get go. Go after the customers and the business will dry up. Who mugs people? Who robs homes? Who steals from their families? Not drug dealers. Drug users do. Who spreads AIDS? Not drug dealers but drug users. Who neglects their kids?

Build drug user prisons instead of putting them with other criminals. They can be rehabbed there.
Which drug users? The ones who get prescription drugs? How is putting someone in prison when no ones rights have been violated something a civilized society does? Why yes lets throw someone in jail because they have an ounce of weed. But only if they are in a state that hasn't legalized freedom yet.
You incarcerate people for what they do when they violate rights, not what you think they may do down the line.
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Old 12-04-2016, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Pot.no...we are too invested in it...every dollar due

Sure..execute hard drug dealers..I could probably get behind that if used properly

Risk vs reward...

Harm vs reality

The true cost?
That's a lot of killing, probably hundreds of thousands of Americans. Would Trump cremate the bodies to honor old Alt-Right traditions?
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Old 12-04-2016, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Is this that Trump "strength" again, licking the boots of thug he can find?
It's called diplomacy, maybe Trump can give Obama some classes so Obama can learn to be diplomatic the last weeks of his Presidency....I like that so much I have to say it again....the last weeks of his Presidency.
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Old 12-04-2016, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Texas
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That's a lot of killing, probably hundreds of thousands of Americans. Would Trump cremate the bodies to honor old Alt-Right traditions?
What does Trump have to do with alt-right?
answer - nothing
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Old 12-04-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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The situation in the Philippines did not begin with Duterte. While the conservative right likes to argue in financial terms a person should "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps," the American political left argues a similar thing but applied to the sociological arena of life and not the financial arena. In many Democrats ,bids a community, city, or nation can descend into rampant danger and moral decay and it should not affect individuals not yet fallen or changed in that community, city, or nation.

(As a side bar to this issue: Christian tradition teaches us that the anti-Christ will emerge out of a world fallen into disproportionate problems, natural disaster, social ills and so on, with leaders unable to adequately address these problems, he will come as a savior with the answers. He supposedly will be able to perform miracles too. Jesus warned a young black pagan boy in Africa, who converted after seeing and speaking with Jesus, that the anti-Christ is near on his way, and that whoever cones boasting whilst performing amazing cures and deeds is not He, for He Jesus comes not boasting but quietly and humbly.)

Some of the older generation of Black-Americans in the Sherman Park neighborhood after the mini-riots occurred, have begun to show early signs of the Philippines. Having spoken with some of them they make me--on this very discussion board--sound tame and charitable by comparison. They have spoken of shooting 12 year-old black children to death if they are caught breaking into the garages.

But better of Black-Americans could care less about the termoil "in the hood." They only care about themselves, how they look to white people, and reciting a tired cliche of "it's only a few" or simply disparaging any black person not an upper-middle-class white collar professional.

Duterte is also not an intellectual--for good or ill he's a hardened cop. And like many cops and military men they have a simplistic attitude and their danger in evil is less becoming a homeless "bum" via what some might call "sloth," but rather via the deadly sin of pride their evil is expressed as the orderly and competent Darth Vader of Star Wars.

I'm not sure Duterte's educational background, back in the 1950's American South, police chiefs like Bull Connor could arise to be Chief of Police just with a high school diploma under their academic belt. Today in the USA that is no longer possible. Not in any big city anyways. I once looked at the professional background of the female Police Chief Nan Hegerty of Milwaukee and was surprised to see she was a very well educated woman. Surprised because I suppose I ignorantly just assumed you didn't need much of an academic background to rise to be Chief of Police.

So, I wonder if much of the Philippines today is like the US South was during the 1930's and 1950's?

Some of Duterte's views I suspect, are born out of a society impacted by religion. Catholic religion. Albeit, I think he's Protestant and not Catholic.

The Bible lists sodomites (homosexuals, active), adulterers, and drunkards (alcoholics) as those who will not inherit the Kingdom of God. The modern day secular West (ignorant that all thre are listed together in the Bible) has absolved the first two and assimilated them into society. During the 1950's both would have been shunned and divorced people shunned and ridiculed too. Today they are part of the cool population. And Catholics regard them as "cool" sinners.

Secularism through neuroscience and scientific studies try to absolve the drug addict today for their sins. And understanding has grown, albeit addiction or substance addiction is still not fully understood, but it is evident choice is not part of the equation in the substance addict in terms of "triggers." The neurological responses happen to fast. So, as many determinist they are argue free will does not exist for the addict. However, choice exists, which route to take, seconds after the neurological trigger response. Like a guy finding a 17 year-old girl sexually attractive. It's not his choice to find her sexually attractive. His choices come seconds after those neurological attractions.

Theologically, the the no-choice view has seeped into liberal Catholic thinking, particularly among liberal priests. A priests once debated with me telling me that a drug addict has no choice, no free will, and argued theologically why that is. So, as I suspected, it has finally begun to seep downward from homosexuals and gay marriage to drug addicts.

Duterte would not be part of that liberal mindset, however. He sees things like a simple minded cop, who is pride, like Darth Vader, despises what he views as weakness in others. Order. Pride. Honor. The world must be ruled by this so argues the military man in Nazi Germany. The defiant priest back then responds, "No, the world must be ruled by love."

The paradox is that you might have to make war on evil to bring about love.
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Old 12-04-2016, 01:31 PM
 
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That's a good thing. Drug users are the pimples on the a*s of society.
Didn't your momma ever tell you about how many fingers you have pointing at yourself when you point one finger at another person?

Are you talking about yourself?


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We've been fighting drugs the wrong way from the get go.
Yeah, you could simply decriminalize drug addiction like socialist Portugal has done. The sky has not fallen.

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Go after the customers and the business will dry up. Who mugs people? Who robs homes? Who steals from their families? Not drug dealers. Drug users do. Who spreads AIDS? Not drug dealers but drug users. Who neglects their kids?
Philip Seymour Hoffman mugged people, broke into homes, spread AIDS, and neglected his children?

Your comments about drug dealers, particularly gang affiliated, evidence such astronomical disconnect from reality that it evidence you get most your "knowledge" from watching fictional TV. You probably though Bill Cosby was just like his character (as a doctor) on the Cosby Show.

News flash, it is predominately drug dealers mugging people and robbing homes and businesses. As many are gang affiliated, and the gangs of the Midwest and West Coast believe "real men rob for a living." They call it "a lick." But I'm sure you've never heard that term before.

I will say few drug dealers steal from their families. And it is quite common among drug addicts, at least among those addicts who struggle to come up with money. If you're like the musical artist Prince or Whitney Houston then money is not really a problem and actually you have enough money over dose on.

In the inner-city I would say most drug dealers neglect their children though. But then you and I may have different standards of what "taking care of your child or children" constitutes. I don't think the occasional dropping off diaper money to your "baby's momma" constitutes "taking care of your children."



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Build drug user prisons instead of putting them with other criminals. They can be rehabbed there.
Although this may be some fantasy of yours, it is unlikely to happen as too many upper-middle-class whites are opiate addicts now. This itself will help erode a fetish for a Crusade against drug users. It was fine when it was a war principally aimed at black people and poor whites. Then people could cling to ridiculous stereotypes and perceptions so far gone from reality one wonders how they ever developed. Like the white suburbanite's ridiculous belief "crackheads" by the hundreds if not thousands are hanging on the corners of inner-city America with assault rifles or pistols tucked in their waist band, waiting to rob innocent strangers walking by.

If crackheads in the inner-city had assault rifles or pistols, 99% of them would have sold them to drug dealers or some working stiff in the hood. LOL.

Those hoodlums aren't usually (though a small percentage of them may be) drug addicts but drug dealers that smoke marijuana and drink alcohol, they are gang affiliates that believe real men rob others rather than work as a slave for another. And in Milwaukee drug dealers even rob drug addicts. By selling them phony material. Once upon a time in well structured, ordered, gang run Chicago drug dealers would beat up another drug dealer that sold phony product in their neighborhood to drug addicts. Though, since the fall of leadership, and erosion of "structure" in Chicago I hear things are no longer the same.

Drug addicts come in as much diversity as homosexuals or heterosexuals.
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