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If you can't prove you live there, you are trespassing. If your mother doesn't trust you enough to give you the keys, you don't belong there. Whether there is a dog in the garage is none of our business. If I were the cops, I would have told him he has 5 minutes to prove he lives there or 5 minutes to start heading away from the area. After that, it would be an arrest for trespassing.
...and by the way, put the shovel away next time instead of leaving it out so you can break in while your mom's away.
If you can't prove you live there, you are trespassing. If your mother doesn't trust you enough to give you the keys, you don't belong there. Whether there is a dog in the garage is none of our business. If I were the cops, I would have told him he has 5 minutes to prove he lives there or 5 minutes to start heading away from the area. After that, it would be an arrest for trespassing.
...and by the way, put the shovel away next time instead of leaving it out so you can break in while your mom's away.
If you can't prove you live there, you are trespassing.
If your mother doesn't trust you enough to give you the keys, you don't belong there. Whether there is a dog in the garage is none of our business. If I were the cops, I would have told him he has 5 minutes to prove he lives there or 5 minutes to start heading away from the area. After that, it would be an arrest for trespassing.
...and by the way, put the shovel away next time instead of leaving it out so you can break in while your mom's away.
This isn't Nazi Germany. No one should ever be forced to show their id when no crime has been committed.
blame all cops for the action of one, then complain when all blacks are characterized by the action of one black. same, same but different
net sum zero gain
Individual beahvior is a lost concept, with a gang mentality everyone has to belong to some gang as no individual can possibly be responsible for themselves
If you can't prove you live there, you are trespassing.
No you aren't. If you walk out and leave your wallet and keys on the table and you are waiting for someone to come home to allow you in to get them, are you trespassing? No you aren't.
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If your mother doesn't trust you enough to give you the keys, you don't belong there.
I don't have keys to my parents house. If I go there to meet them and they have no arrived yet, I sit on the porch.
Based on what was said in the video, these cops did not just happen to be driving by and stopped to demand the guys "papers" [I know you are referencing the Nazi's with your comment].
That's not what I said. Once you have to lie about what the other person said you've lost.
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Instead they were called to the house based on someone in the neighborhood reporting suspicious activity.
I don't know about you, but if I witness someone in my neighbors yard trying to use a shovel to lift the closed garage door open(by the suspects own admission), I'd call the police as well. I'd assume you would want the same from your neighbors if someone were doing that to your home. Am I wrong in that assumption?
When the police come up to an individual who has not committed a crime, that person does not need to show their ID.
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So this was not some speed trap in a small town to generate revenue, nor was this guy just walking down the street and the cops stopping him, demanding to see his papers.
Again sitting on a porch is not a crime. I'll go you one better, sitting on your mothers porch, who you visit almost every day, is not a crime.
Not absurd at all. You're saying people should refuse to hand over documents and not answer questions when stopped by the police. Others have said you must always cooperate. Which is it? That's all I'm asking.
I don't know where you live, nor the black people you know but my experience is different. The black people I would call my friends, and even casual acquaintances have never complained to me about bad encounters with police.
I don't believe you. A few of my friends have and so have I. So either you only know 2 black people or they don't bother talking to a brick wall.
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Then again, many are professionals who would likely act differently than the guy in this video.
The victims actions were no cause for the dirty cop to act the way he did.
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Granted his behavior was not over the top nor rude. Still he was non compliant in several instances, and despite this, the cops were cordial to him as well. It all went sideways when the guy called his friend asking for him to come over. Had he continued to sit on the porch and wait for the cops to clear him, most likely none of the escalation would have occurred.
It went sideways when the dirty cop lost his cool over a nothing event. Using the phone is not a crime.
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