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Stop putting ALL minorities together. That is what is making your comments racist. Asians are a minority and ON AVERAGE do better than whites. So again, it's not all minorities and it's not all cultures. Not even all Asians.
Of course the alt-right has to come in here and try to white-wash these problems saying it's minorities' fault and not ours (as in ALL Americans) for not correctly appropriating funds to do the best we can for ALL students (see my post about my high school above) and work for an education reform to best adapt to our rapidly changing country.
But yeah, f*** minorities. It's their fault, we should blame them. Not our HORRIBLY mismanaged public education system or anything
Yes, Asian students, as a group, perform better than White students. That doesn't change the truth of the statement that minority students are dragging down the United States' educational levels. In particular, the influx of Hispanics has been especially damaging, because Hispanics perform poorly and make up a significant fraction of the young population.
And if you check the PISA scores by race, you'd see that American Whites and Asians perform in the top tier when compared to other industrialized countries. And Hispanics in America perform better than students in any Latin American country, so that refutes your claim that we aren't allocating money properly.
Yes, Asian students, as a group, perform better than White students. That doesn't change the truth of the statement that minority students are dragging down the United States' educational levels. In particular, the influx of Hispanics has been especially damaging, because Hispanics perform poorly and make up a significant fraction of the young population.
And if you check the PISA scores by race, you'd see that American Whites and Asians perform in the top tier when compared to other industrialized countries. And Hispanics in America perform better than students in any Latin American country, so that refutes your claim that we aren't allocating money properly.
Do you mind laying out the differences between America and Latin American countries? One of them is that America is a first world country, and Latin American countries are not. That is a HUGE factor in SES and advantages that you seem to be forgetting. It's not race, it's the country's ability supply education by having funds. That relies on us taxpayers making good money to send to our schools. We have the money, but we aren't allocating it right. We are spending it on a hugely inflated military we don't need instead of investing in our future.
Can you tell me why a high school should be investing in plasma TVs for the cafeteria and a facelift while cutting three electives and a foreign language track at the same time? Can you explain to me how that makes sense or on any level why that would be ok? But this is something that actually happens, so no we aren't allocating money correctly. We spend too much on administration and not enough on teachers and the children themselves.
Compared to other first world countries, isolating the right variables from others for a proper study (i.e. lack of funds overall) we do terribly. So again being diverse is not an excuse. It's about Americans not wanting to push for education reform and pitching in as a SOCIETY (something a lot of Americans forget) to "make America great again" and that goes beyond education. That goes with people wanting to get their slice of cake and not caring whether their own kids will even get a slice of the cake.
Do you mind laying out the differences between America and Latin American countries? One of them is that America is a first world country, and Latin American countries are not. That is a HUGE factor in SES and advantages that you seem to be forgetting. It's not race, it's the country's ability supply education by having funds. That relies on us taxpayers making good money to send to our schools. We have the money, but we aren't allocating it right. We are spending it on a hugely inflated military we don't need instead of investing in our future.
Can you tell me why a high school should be investing in plasma TVs for the cafeteria and a facelift while cutting three electives and a foreign language track at the same time? Can you explain to me how that makes sense or on any level why that would be ok? But this is something that actually happens, so no we aren't allocating money correctly. We spend too much on administration and not enough on teachers and the children themselves.
Compared to other first world countries, isolating the right variables from others for a proper study (i.e. lack of funds overall) we do terribly. So again being diverse is not an excuse. It's about Americans not wanting to push for education reform and pitching in as a SOCIETY (something a lot of Americans forget) to "make America great again" and that goes beyond education. That goes with people wanting to get their slice of cake and not caring whether their own kids will even get a slice of the cake.
Money does not make students smarter. Many of the oil rich Middle Eastern countries are swimming with money, but their students do poorly in international tests. United Arab Emirates doesn't even make it to the top half of test scores and their per capita income is higher than the Unites States.
The Washington DC school district has the highest per student spending in the country and it is one of the worst performing districts. Over the past five decades, trillions have been spent trying to close the achievement gap and it has not happened. There is not one school district in the entire country where Blacks and Hispanics perform on par with Whites. If the problem was simply proper allocation of funds, then some districts would be getting it right, but that's not the case. There are over 13 thousand independent school districts in the United States. The idea that every single one can't figure out how to allocate their funds is laughable. The truth is harsh, but it is the truth nonetheless.
You are the reason, along with Ducey, why Arizona is doing so poorly.
Oh come on. Ducey is pro education. He was a huge supporter of the recent State Land Trust deal to fund schools. In any case, public schools make up the largest expenditure in the Arizona budget, and this is the case in most other states. As far as quality, some states rank higher, some rank lower ... and this should prove to you that quality is not about how much money we keep throwing at the schools. It's costing the taxpayers too much money to keep funding education, especially for those who don't have kids in school ... it serves no purpose for them. Privatize it, let free enterprise take over, and you'll see the quality of education overall improve dramatically!
It's interesting the most Liberals want free college like Europe but don't understand the most people in Europe don't qualify to go to college and instead are pushed into trades that match their mental and physical ability.
This is a myth. Different European countries have different systems. Plenty of countries have tuition free college and anyone who graduate high school can get admission to some of these public universities.
There are not enough private schools to educate all the children whose parents would want to them to leave the public school system.
And? If there is enough interest they will emerge.
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And once private schools start accepting public money, they will be under the oversight of the government,
I wouldn't suggest we force voucher students onto private schools. If they are going to accept them I would suggest some minimum testing standards that both the public and private schools would have to meet to keep getting the vouchers. You also would not allow them to pick and choose students, they will have to make accommodations for X amount of special needs for example. What I would suspect would happen is those schools would come together and consolidate those students into one school, they would be better served and for less money.
Corbett when he was Governor here in PA wanted to do something similar to this. As a pilot program they were going to give the vouchers to students in the worst and subsequently poorest districts. To quote Trump, "What do you have to lose?"
So what do we need? For the government to grant money for religious schools to be built so creationism, instead of evolution could be taught. And so teacher led prayer every morning would be permitted. I'm sure many Republicans in Oklahoma would quite strongly support such a government program.
The religious aspect and outright nutcases becomes sticky subject. As I mentioned in my previous post you would set some minimum testing standards for all schools accepting vouchers. Math, History, etc. are fairly easy to set standards but when you get to Science it becomes problematic.
On the other hand there was small Catholic school near me that was exceptional, something like a 99% graduation rate and 92% graduation rate for higher education. That school had to close because of lack of students and that is just a shame. It's not the only reason but clearly cost was part of the reason they didn't have enough students. Just so it's clear I'm not Catholic or even religious.
At the end of the day it's not going to make much difference what school kids go to who have parents that are teaching them things out of the norm at home. In my opinion allowing them to go to the wayside is unimportant if you are providing opportunities to the rest of the students.
There was similar arguments being made about the plan being proposed here in PA under Corbett. The students in these very poor districts that had parents taking an interest in their education would have been the ones to take advantage of the voucher. It was legitimate argument that the public schools would have been left with less money and the worse students. My argument is those kids are not going anywhere anyway and extracting the ones that have enormous potential from that environment is the better option.
Stop putting ALL minorities together. That is what is making your comments racist. Asians are a minority and ON AVERAGE do better than whites. So again, it's not all minorities and it's not all cultures. Not even all Asians.
Of course the alt-right has to come in here and try to white-wash these problems saying it's minorities' fault and not ours (as in ALL Americans) for not correctly appropriating funds to do the best we can for ALL students (see my post about my high school above) and work for an education reform to best adapt to our rapidly changing country.
But yeah, f*** minorities. It's their fault, we should blame them. Not our HORRIBLY mismanaged public education system or anything
You can't throw forever throw money at the nation's problems that are very clearly not based in lack of funding. The funding trick has been tried over and over again, and it has always failed.
You can't forever blame "management" for patterns that are clearly not based in management, as they always have and always will readily transcend legitimate poor-management boundaries. Though, we can also observe how schools can magically transition from being well-managed to "poorly-managed", often when the same managers are employed, when the students start performing poorly as a result of change.
You can't assign guilt to communities that do not share the same problems. There is no collective "our", as minorities clearly do not see it that way when it is their turn to benefit from being considered separately. That game is long up, in case you haven't been paying attention to the political climate. You can only run the same game for so long, using any excuse in spite of its logic as you are here, to gain benefits and other "rent".
When Americans hear "education reform" they should automatically think "dumbing down" and respond appropriately. This has been true for 50+ years now.
If you want to fix this you give each student a voucher that is the same amount the public school would get. You allow them to spend the voucher at the school of their choice, public or private. To lower costs you allow them to bank anything they do not spend for secondary education, this would provide incentive for the schools to keep tuitions low instead of just simply setting it at the value of the voucher.
Look, do you even know why there is such a thing as public-education? What is its purpose? How much would people know if the public-education system didn't even exist? How much of what you know, even came from the public-education system anyway? What would you not know, had there been no public-education system at all?
What percentage of the population was literate prior to the invention of the public-education system? Or to make it simpler, what percentage of the population was literate in 1776?
How much does it actually cost to educate someone?
The simple truth is that education costs nothing. Schools are expensive. But they aren't the same thing.
The real purpose of the education system, is not education.
What do you actually think would happen to this country if you abolished the education system? Be as specific as possible.
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Not our HORRIBLY mismanaged public education system or anything 
