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This is not unusual. Most government regulations keep poor people poor. This time is housing. But the poor have no voice in government, no power. So it's easy for Big Government to regulate them into poverty.
"On net balance, today's housing policies, like those of the past, end up reducing the housing options of low-income people (see the detailed discussion below)."
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"Economic analysis thus leads to the conclusion that (1) the poor end up on a lower indifference curve, with better housing and less non-housing goods, while (2) the middle class end up on a higher indifference curve, with at least more non-housing goods and perhaps more housing as well, depending upon the particular nature of income and substitution effects. While there has been no direct money transfer between the poor and the middle class in this example, movements from one indifference curve to another are changes in real income. There has been an increase in the real income of the middle class caused by a reduction in the real income of the poor. The economic effect is the same as if there had been a direct transfer. Social justifications of transfers from lower income groups to higher income groups are difficult, and no such justification will be attempted here."
- Thomas Sowell, Markets and Minorities (1981), Chapter Four
This is not unusual. Most government regulations keep poor people poor. This time is housing. But the poor have no voice in government, no power. So it's easy for Big Government to regulate them into poverty.
"The new proposal would dictate that a tiny house, if built to ANSI or NFPA standards, is an RV and thus not suitable for permanent occupancy. The reality is that it is already illegal to live permanently in an RV in most places anyway. That is something that local zoning ordinances specifically dictate. So the problem here is the idea of certifying your tiny house as an RV rather than seeking permanent residential status through the building codes division."
No matter what HUD decides, or the Recreational Vehicle Industry Association (RVIA) for that matter, as tiny housers should not be concerned because our goal is to live in our tiny houses permanently, not to certify them as RVs. After all, that’s specifically what HUD’s recent proposal aims to clarify.
This is not unusual. Most government regulations keep poor people poor. This time is housing. But the poor have no voice in government, no power. So it's easy for Big Government to regulate them into poverty.
" But the poor have no voice in government, no power."
Duh!
The EACH get 1 vote just like you.
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It seems like the root of the problem is that RVs aren't legally able to remain permanently in one place. I think that's unfortunate, because it's a nonsensical government regulation that only helps keep home ownership out of reach for the poor (and middle class in many cases).
It seems like the root of the problem is that RVs aren't legally able to remain permanently in one place. I think that's unfortunate, because it's a nonsensical government regulation that only helps keep home ownership out of reach for the poor (and middle class in many cases).
If you live in a neighborhood with $300,000 and up homes, would you or your neighbors want someone with a RV or camper setting up permanent residence next door?
But, in many low income areas, tiny homes are being build. Just with permanent foundations, rather then on wheels. (And the wheels is the issue, not the houses)
If you live in a neighborhood with $300,000 and up homes, would you or your neighbors want someone with a RV or camper setting up permanent residence next door?
But, in many low income areas, tiny homes are being build. Just with permanent foundations, rather then on wheels. (And the wheels is the issue, not the houses)
It seems like the root of the problem is that RVs aren't legally able to remain permanently in one place. I think that's unfortunate, because it's a nonsensical government regulation that only helps keep home ownership out of reach for the poor (and middle class in many cases).
Yes, this is a problem. IMO, this is what happens when you let the government into the free market and Real Estate is a large portion, but I'm getting off topic.
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Originally Posted by plannine
If you live in a neighborhood with $300,000 and up homes, would you or your neighbors want someone with a RV or camper setting up permanent residence next door?
How is this any different than a neighborhood with $30,000,000 homes having a $300,000 home in it. This is a continual problem for every sector because of free market. They probably don't have these issues in communist contries. Plus many zoning rules usually don't let you do this. I, hate to be evil, actually like some zoning laws.
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Originally Posted by plannine
But, in many low income areas, tiny homes are being build. Just with permanent foundations, rather then on wheels. (And the wheels is the issue, not the houses)
I have looked into this as I was seriously wanting this.
1. This is very common with Mobile homes as the manufacturing is very government regulated. People do rebuild mobile homes but it is important to have the manufacture's plate.
2. With something legal like mobile homes, it is still required by code to have a electrician and a plumber attach your waste line and power to your power box, $. It is also code to remove your hitch, making as so it's immovable.
3. Many Tiny houses aren't built to code, as many individuals make them. Many claim they shouldn't be categorized with RV's either as many are built to be 'unstable for travel' or are too heavy for their frames.
4. We next have to look at the fact that many aren't properly connected to sewer. Either to city sewage or a leach field. Which begs the question of where are they going to dump there waste if not regulated.
The whole reason I wanted a tiny house is I wanted a cheap, small, personally designed home. With the rules out there it would have to be in a trailer or RV park type set up. From what I experience, the best way to get this movement going is to have a 'up scale trailer park' that people could buy or rent lots only for tiny houses. Second, would be the federal government helping, and allowing people, doing their own home construction. I really don't think they would go for this, but IMO, in the long run, it would be much safer than what we have now.
P.S. Once you take the wheels of and 'concrete it', it then is taxes as a house, BIG $ JUMP. Then the local government seems to be all smiles. Wonder why?
As for Detroit, if I understand it correctly, their real estate market is so bad I wouldn't be surprised if they start taxing tents in the next coming years.
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