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Old 10-02-2016, 01:46 PM
 
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Why do so many think everything is a "war"?

" But the poor have no voice in government, no power."

Duh!

The EACH get 1 vote just like you.

??? ??? The poor had NO vote in the adoption of the Constitution, which in my opinion makes said Constitution morally illegitimate. Our property laws - which clearly favor home ownership over renting - flow from that initial government bias.
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Old 10-02-2016, 01:51 PM
 
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It seems like the root of the problem is that RVs aren't legally able to remain permanently in one place. I think that's unfortunate, because it's a nonsensical government regulation that only helps keep home ownership out of reach for the poor (and middle class in many cases).

THAT'S THE PURPOSE.
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Old 10-02-2016, 04:12 PM
 
Location: London
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THAT'S THE PURPOSE.
Need they be so blatant about it though? Geez.
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Old 10-02-2016, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Why would I care how fancy my neighbors' homes are? I don't know what kind of snobby elitist would have a problem with that.

As long as they're decent and considerate neighbors, I couldn't care less.
Your neighbors would be overjoyed at watching the value of their homes going down, just to accommodate, someones RV in the neighborhood.
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Old 10-02-2016, 04:31 PM
 
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Why would I care how fancy my neighbors' homes are? I don't know what kind of snobby elitist would have a problem with that.

As long as they're decent and considerate neighbors, I couldn't care less.
Obviously you must be a renter.
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Old 10-02-2016, 04:40 PM
 
Location: London
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Your neighbors would be overjoyed at watching the value of their homes going down, just to accommodate, someones RV in the neighborhood.
Sure, because someone's hoped-for house-flipping profit is more important than a person's right to use their own land to live in a home they can afford.

If you buy a home and/or land, you should be able to have full control over it. And only that.

Property rights > snobbery
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Old 10-02-2016, 05:36 PM
 
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Sure, because someone's hoped-for house-flipping profit is more important than a person's right to use their own land to live in a home they can afford.

If you buy a home and/or land, you should be able to have full control over it. And only that.

Property rights > snobbery
Because it is more important. Because someone's flipped home is property THEY OWN. The other is something they wish to have have, but do NOT OWN.

You do understand that "property" is not just "land", right? It means anything that someone owns. Like money. Or food. Or clothing. Or a car. What if I decided that your car equals "snobbery" and I should be able to use it 2 days a week, because I can't afford to buy one for myself?
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Old 10-02-2016, 05:41 PM
 
Location: London
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Because it is more important. Because someone's flipped home is property THEY OWN. The other is something they wish to have have, but do NOT OWN.

You do understand that "property" is not just "land", right? It means anything that someone owns. Like money. Or food. Or clothing. Or a car. What if I decided that your car equals "snobbery" and I should be able to use it 2 days a week, because I can't afford to buy one for myself?
Please point out where I advocated squatting or stealing.

All I am saying is, you own your house/land. But you don't own the rest of the neighborhood.
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Old 10-02-2016, 07:46 PM
 
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Need they be so blatant about it though? Geez.

They usually try NOT to be so blatant, but personally I prefer the intellectual honesty of being blatant.
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Old 10-02-2016, 07:56 PM
 
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Because it is more important. Because someone's flipped home is property THEY OWN. The other is something they wish to have have, but do NOT OWN.

You do understand that "property" is not just "land", right? It means anything that someone owns. Like money. Or food. Or clothing. Or a car. What if I decided that your car equals "snobbery" and I should be able to use it 2 days a week, because I can't afford to buy one for myself?

Government transfers income upward from renters to owners regularly - at least Thomas Sowell is intellectually honest and admits as much:


"On net balance, today's housing policies, like those of the past, end up reducing the housing options of low-income people (see the detailed discussion below)."

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"Economic analysis thus leads to the conclusion that (1) the poor end up on a lower indifference curve, with better housing and less non-housing goods, while (2) the middle class end up on a higher indifference curve, with at least more non-housing goods and perhaps more housing as well, depending upon the particular nature of income and substitution effects. While there has been no direct money transfer between the poor and the middle class in this example, movements from one indifference curve to another are changes in real income. There has been an increase in the real income of the middle class caused by a reduction in the real income of the poor. The economic effect is the same as if there had been a direct transfer. Social justifications of transfers from lower income groups to higher income groups are difficult, and no such justification will be attempted here."

- Thomas Sowell, Markets and Minorities (1981), Chapter Four
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