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Old 02-24-2008, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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For those interested in engaging in thoughtful conversation rather than partisan insults, this is an interesting and challenging piece to use as a starting point.

Takes about 25 minutes to watch:

TED | Talks | Thomas Barnett: The Pentagon's new map for war and peace (video)
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Old 02-24-2008, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Understand his main point, but disagree with it being a DoD responsibility. His portrayal of DoD is a little inaccurate.

A core problem is the coordination between the Military Services, the Army, Navy (Marines) and Air Force are all directly funded by Congress, and lobby for programs. It is a major reason for poor post war coordination, everyone strives for their piece, but the overall responsibility is difficult to execute, and less "top down" in decisionmaking then portrayed here. Though the SecDef is responsible for coordinating through the Unified Commands, but reconstruction (or post successful war) isn't part of the equation, especially for funding.

State Department should be coordinating efforts with stakeholders, primarily the European Union and African Union, concerning military efforts and the post war funding and reconstruction.

EU is executing their responsibilities in Kosovo, but the AU lacks the authority and autonomy to adequately execute. Planning for peace isn't just our responsibility, though it should be coordinated to extent possible (war typically has a short lead time):

www.africa-union.org
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Old 02-24-2008, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Understand his main point, but disagree with it being a DoD responsibility. His portrayal of DoD is a little inaccurate.

A core problem is the coordination between the Military Services, the Army, Navy (Marines) and Air Force are all directly funded by Congress, and lobby for programs. It is a major reason for poor post war coordination, everyone strives for their piece, but the overall responsibility is difficult to execute, and less "top down" in decisionmaking then portrayed here. Though the SecDef is responsible for coordinating through the Unified Commands, but reconstruction (or post successful war) isn't part of the equation, especially for funding.

State Department should be coordinating efforts with stakeholders, primarily the European Union and African Union, concerning military efforts and the post war funding and reconstruction.

EU is executing their responsibilities in Kosovo, but the AU lacks the authority and autonomy to adequately execute. Planning for peace isn't just our responsibility, though it should be coordinated to extent possible (war typically has a short lead time):

www.africa-union.org
Good thoughts. Perhaps a new administration could be persuaded to deal with the situation more comprehensively.
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Old 02-24-2008, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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For those interested in engaging in thoughtful conversation rather than partisan insults, this is an interesting and challenging piece to use as a starting point.

Takes about 25 minutes to watch:

TED | Talks | Thomas Barnett: The Pentagon's new map for war and peace (video)
This person sounds like another irrelevant yes man, albeit with some nice puns. Kind of like a Jerry Seinfeld. He is to America what caffeine is to 7-Up.

We used to play lots of corporate bs bingo with some of the buzzwords he presented. I won many a beer as a result of the "shifted paradigm", "think outside the box" talking heads in the conference room.

I needed a good laugh on this dreary day, thanks.

Kick A. We're gonna kick A. I'm gonna kick their A for $20M
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Old 02-24-2008, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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This person sounds like another irrelevant yes man, albeit with some nice puns. Kind of like a Jerry Seinfeld. He is to America what caffeine is to 7-Up.

We used to play lots of corporate bs bingo with some of the buzzwords he presented. I won many a beer as a result of the "shifted paradigm", "think outside the box" talking heads in the conference room.

I needed a good laugh on this dreary day, thanks.

Kick A. We're gonna kick A. I'm gonna kick their A for $20M
Whatever. Watch the whole thing and get back to us. Maybe we can do lunch sometme. Have your people text my people. At the end of the day, comprehension is key.
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Old 02-24-2008, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Whatever. Watch the whole thing and get back to us. Maybe we can do lunch sometme. Have your people text my people. At the end of the day, comprehension is key.
I watched the whole thing before I replied. He was humorous yet irrelevant, thus the Jerry Seinfeld analogy.

I comprehended enough to earn my lot in life. This presentation was trivial and pedantic. Just another empty suit.
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Old 02-24-2008, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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I watched the whole thing before I replied. He was humorous yet irrelevant, thus the Jerry Seinfeld analogy.

I comprehended enough to earn my lot in life. This presentation was trivial and pedantic. Just another empty suit.
I had hoped you might engage the ideas rather than simply issue a flippant dismissal based on presentational style.

Or do you think there is no issue here aside from degree of pedantry?
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Old 02-24-2008, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I had hoped you might engage the ideas rather than simply issue a flippant dismissal based on presentational style.

Or do you think there is no issue here aside from degree of pedantry?
Well, considering the unprofessional nature of the talk through profanity and the lack of concrete material, I had to go on something.

However, one man's garbage is another man's treasure.
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Old 02-24-2008, 02:31 PM
 
Location: southern california
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IMHO
war and debt creation, the primary job of DOD, is adept at turning great big world
powers into little bitty world powers. billions for superweapons which are easily
stalmated to a standstill by primative people with speedboats, IED's and soviet surplus small arms.
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Old 02-24-2008, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Well, considering the unprofessional nature of the talk through profanity and the lack of concrete material, I had to go on something.

However, one man's garbage is another man's treasure.
Assuming that the former is a man and not the petulant boy he so resembles...
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