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Old 08-09-2019, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Who said such a thing? If persons entered and remined under a legal visa, then their child born should assume that visa status, and if parents get permanent legal status their child should get that status too etc.

But if the parents are here illegally the child should assume the same illegal status, and NOT be instantly given the highest form of citizenship possible natural born citizen.
Why on earth would that be? The kid has done nothing wrong and violated no law. Why should he or she be deprived of a standard American benefit.

Face it the kid is legal so an illegal status would be wrong. And in fact it is not clear the kid has any other citizenship. Likely but not guaranteed. Dependent on the laws of another nation.

 
Old 08-09-2019, 02:12 PM
 
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Why on earth would that be? The kid has done nothing wrong and violated no law. Why should he or she be deprived of a standard American benefit.

Face it the kid is legal so an illegal status would be wrong. And in fact it is not clear the kid has any other citizenship. Likely but not guaranteed. Dependent on the laws of another nation.
Why do those kids get to enjoy a standard American benefit when their parents violated the law? It's only encouraging more law breakers. And especially with fake tears about family separation, it makes it that much harder to remove their law breaking parents when their kids enjoy American citizenship.

I'd support an amendment to the constitution - birthright citizenship only applies to legal residents. Illegal migrants and tourists need not apply.
 
Old 08-09-2019, 02:15 PM
 
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You told us her mother had permanent status. That is not undocumented. I.e. not trespassing. Huge difference.
Be precise with your language because you didn't mention this "huge difference" anywhere in your OP or title. Instead what you said was, " a baby is born in the U.S. to two non-citizen parents "
 
Old 08-09-2019, 02:17 PM
 
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Children born in the USA to persons in diplomatic service to another nation are typically considered citizens of that other country, not the USA. Normally the spouse of a diplomat is also covered by a diplomatic status in the USA, unless she was already a permanent resident of the USA before marriage. That is a complicated situation.
Her parents met here, they are not from the same country. And because of birthright citizenship it was not complicated, she is a natural born citizen.
 
Old 08-09-2019, 02:21 PM
 
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Why on earth would that be? The kid has done nothing wrong and violated no law. Why should he or she be deprived of a standard American benefit.

Face it the kid is legal so an illegal status would be wrong. And in fact it is not clear the kid has any other citizenship. Likely but not guaranteed. Dependent on the laws of another nation.
Because the parent and kid to be born should not be here in the first place to be granted any status to begin with. That way parent and child are recognized as both illegals and leftist can't confuse the issue about separating children and parents. I can't think of any country that would not recognize its citizen's child as also a citizen.
 
Old 08-09-2019, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Why do those kids get to enjoy a standard American benefit when their parents violated the law? It's only encouraging more law breakers. And especially with fake tears about family separation, it makes it that much harder to remove their law breaking parents when their kids enjoy American citizenship.

I'd support an amendment to the constitution - birthright citizenship only applies to legal residents. Illegal migrants and tourists need not apply.
You guys keep getting more and more un-american. We do not punish the child for the sins of the parent.

So get your amendment going...and watch it go nowhere. The US appears to have a fondness for the birthright kid whether right or wrong.
 
Old 08-09-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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You guys keep getting more and more un-american. We do not punish the child for the sins of the parent.
We're not punishing anyone. We're just not rewarding anyone either. Rewarding anyone due to the crimes of their parents. Their parents snuck in illegally and they can all go back together. I'm not about to encourage illegal entry into this country.

Let's take your twisted logic and propose that someone burglarizes your home, steals jewelry and gives it to their kid. According to your logic, we can't punish their kid (because they did nothing wrong) and take back the jewelry.

Your logic just promotes more illegal entry.
 
Old 08-09-2019, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Fewer than 30 countries give birthright citizenship.

1. Argentina
2. Belize
3. Bolivia
4. Brazil
5. Canada
6. Costa Rica
7. Dominica
8. Ecuador
9. El Salvador
10. Fiji
11. Grenada
12. Guatemala
13. Guyana
14. Honduras
15. Jamaica
16. Mexico
17. Nicaragua
18. Pakistan
19. Panama
20. Paraguay
21. Peru
22. St. Kitts and Nevis
23. St. Lucia
24. St. Vincent and the Grenadines
25. Trinidad and Tobago
26. Tuvalu
27. United States
28. Uruguay
29. Venezuela

Having no such law is not a damn "punishment" as the bloviators would have us believe.
 
Old 08-09-2019, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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We're not punishing anyone. We're just not rewarding anyone either. Rewarding anyone due to the crimes of their parents. Their parents snuck in illegally and they can all go back together. I'm not about to encourage illegal entry into this country.

Let's take your twisted logic and propose that someone burglarizes your home, steals jewelry and gives it to their kid. According to your logic, we can't punish their kid (because they did nothing wrong) and take back the jewelry.

Your logic just promotes more illegal entry.
Yes you can take back the jewelry but other stuff not so. But you cannot punish the kid.
Say the parent spends ill gotten gains on a college education for the child. You do not get to take that back or bill the kid.
In this case the kid is to be deprived of his parents or his right to live in the USA because of the illegal status of his parents.

The solution to illegal immigration is simple. Swift and certain deportation for any who are here. Virtually no one makes it past 6 months. No more problem.
 
Old 08-09-2019, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Originally Posted by MPowering1 View Post
Fewer than 30 countries give birthright citizenship.

1. Argentina
2. Belize
3. Bolivia
4. Brazil
5. Canada
6. Costa Rica
7. Dominica
8. Ecuador
9. El Salvador
10. Fiji
11. Grenada
12. Guatemala
13. Guyana
14. Honduras
15. Jamaica
16. Mexico
17. Nicaragua
18. Pakistan
19. Panama
20. Paraguay
21. Peru
22. St. Kitts and Nevis
23. St. Lucia
24. St. Vincent and the Grenadines
25. Trinidad and Tobago
26. Tuvalu
27. United States
28. Uruguay
29. Venezuela

Having no such law is not a damn "punishment" as the bloviators would have us believe.

I don't know why these folks keep coming to the United States. They have so many other lovely places to choose from.
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