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Old 10-11-2016, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Obama's agenda has been the Obama stimulus, raising the min wage, giving the middle class tax cuts, giving small businesses tax cuts, lowering student loan interest rates, lowering credit card interest rates, ending tax breaks for outsourcing, ex.ex.

How are those things bad for the American people?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...nt_Act_of_2009

GOP Senators Reject Tax Cuts for Middle Class - CBS News
GOP Blocks Senate Small-Business Tax Cut Bill
GOP Blocks Freeze On Credit Card Interest Rate Hikes | Huffington Post
Republicans Screw Over 37 Million by Blocking Bill Lowering Student Loan Interest Rates
Senate Republicans Vote Against American Jobs By Blocking Bill To End Outsourcing Tax Breaks



Every government on this planet believes in man made global warming, and with the exception of US republicans every political party on Earth believes in man made global warming.

Why Are Republicans the Only Climate-Science-Denying Party in the World?


The only reason Fox news, Rush radio, and corporate paid republican politicians say "global warming is a hoax" is because combating global warming would reduce profits for the corporations that finance the republicans political campaigns.

Meet The Climate Denial Machine


The issue should be how did republicans fall into a corporate controlled cult where they are the only political party on Earth that does not believe in man made global warming.




Every claim of globalism you listed above is a internal American matter, and none of them involve other countries.



How is Obama trying to bankrupt America?

Obama inherited a $1.4 trillion dollar deficit, and Obama has reduced that deficit by 2/3.
Don't Blame Obama for Bush's 2009 Deficit | Cato @ Liberty
US Federal Deficit by Year - plus charts and analysis


And GW Bush was president from 2001-2009.

2001 federal spending- $1,862 trillion dollars.
2009 federal spending- $3,517 trillion dollars.

GW Bush increased government spending by $1,655 trillion dollars.


Obama was present 2009-today.

2009 federal spending- $3,517 trillion dollars.
2014 federal spending- $3,506 trillion dollars.

Obama decreased government spending.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary | Tax Policy Center


And you also brought Hillary Clinton into this.

Hillary will raise our national debt to 87% of GDP.
Trump will raise our national debt to 127% of GDP.

Promises and Price Tags: A Fiscal Guide to the 2016 Election | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget


Its Trump's tax cuts that will raise our debt (tax cuts that give the 20% of American workers making $59,000 a year 8% of the tax cuts, and then give the richest 5% of Americans 51% of the tax cuts.)

Donald Trump's Tax Plan Would Cost $12 Trillion | CTJReports


You can say "Obama and Hillary want to bankrupt America", but when you look at the actual facts its GW Bush and Donald Trump who want to bankrupt America.
Tax base is shrinking. No jobs. Huge 20 trillion debt growing daily. Low interest rates because the government is broke. The humongous bubble in the stock market needs a correction and it is smoke and mirrors because our economy is stagnant Americans are in debt and it will collapse sooner or later. Hillary is stupid killing jobs and outsourcing jobs to other countries. Opened borders keep wages down. This country is going down.Thank Obama. Trump will fight both the dems and Republicans to get things done for the people. Trump will bring it all to light for us to know the corruption.
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Old 10-11-2016, 08:34 PM
 
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Tax base is shrinking. No jobs. Huge 20 trillion debt growing daily. Low interest rates because the government is broke. The humongous bubble in the stock market needs a correction and it is smoke and mirrors because our economy is stagnant Americans are in debt and it will collapse sooner or later. Hillary is stupid killing jobs and outsourcing jobs to other countries. Opened borders keep wages down. This country is going down.Thank Obama. Trump will fight both the dems and Republicans to get things done for the people. Trump will bring it all to light for us to know the corruption.
The sad thing I the masses are totally Oblivious to these same issues we have brought up. Obama and his team has been dumbing down America for years!
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Old 10-11-2016, 09:53 PM
 
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The country needs a President that puts 'America First'.

The system is rigged with; No Voter ID laws, millions of illegal aliens, and non-stop mass immigration.

This perhaps may be the last chance to beat the Globalists in an election cycle.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeJ-iv3MOTo
The biggest problem so many people are already involved in this how will we change it?


Today I heard a University that studies wildfires in the west and they're blaming it on "climate change" anyone with a brain here knows it is due to BLM mismanaging the forest floor when clear cutting. Then we have the United States Humane Society voicing their support for Hillary. Dumb move on their part, I will no longer support their cause, since none of it involves stopping animal abuse and taking a political side, is suicide.
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Old 10-11-2016, 09:57 PM
 
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Tax base is shrinking. No jobs. Huge 20 trillion debt growing daily. Low interest rates because the government is broke. The humongous bubble in the stock market needs a correction and it is smoke and mirrors because our economy is stagnant Americans are in debt and it will collapse sooner or later. Hillary is stupid killing jobs and outsourcing jobs to other countries. Opened borders keep wages down. This country is going down.Thank Obama. Trump will fight both the dems and Republicans to get things done for the people. Trump will bring it all to light for us to know the corruption.
I sure hope he has a lot of protection as in bodyguards and doesn't eat out.
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Old 10-11-2016, 10:16 PM
 
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Originally Posted by chad3 View Post
Obama's agenda has been the Obama stimulus, raising the min wage, giving the middle class tax cuts, giving small businesses tax cuts, lowering student loan interest rates, lowering credit card interest rates, ending tax breaks for outsourcing, ex.ex.

How are those things bad for the American people?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americ...nt_Act_of_2009

GOP Senators Reject Tax Cuts for Middle Class - CBS News
GOP Blocks Senate Small-Business Tax Cut Bill
GOP Blocks Freeze On Credit Card Interest Rate Hikes | Huffington Post
Republicans Screw Over 37 Million by Blocking Bill Lowering Student Loan Interest Rates
Senate Republicans Vote Against American Jobs By Blocking Bill To End Outsourcing Tax Breaks



Every government on this planet believes in man made global warming, and with the exception of US republicans every political party on Earth believes in man made global warming.

Why Are Republicans the Only Climate-Science-Denying Party in the World?


The only reason Fox news, Rush radio, and corporate paid republican politicians say "global warming is a hoax" is because combating global warming would reduce profits for the corporations that finance the republicans political campaigns.

Meet The Climate Denial Machine


The issue should be how did republicans fall into a corporate controlled cult where they are the only political party on Earth that does not believe in man made global warming.




Every claim of globalism you listed above is a internal American matter, and none of them involve other countries.



How is Obama trying to bankrupt America?

Obama inherited a $1.4 trillion dollar deficit, and Obama has reduced that deficit by 2/3.
Don't Blame Obama for Bush's 2009 Deficit | Cato @ Liberty
US Federal Deficit by Year - plus charts and analysis


And GW Bush was president from 2001-2009.

2001 federal spending- $1,862 trillion dollars.
2009 federal spending- $3,517 trillion dollars.

GW Bush increased government spending by $1,655 trillion dollars.


Obama was present 2009-today.

2009 federal spending- $3,517 trillion dollars.
2014 federal spending- $3,506 trillion dollars.

Obama decreased government spending.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary | Tax Policy Center


And you also brought Hillary Clinton into this.

Hillary will raise our national debt to 87% of GDP.
Trump will raise our national debt to 127% of GDP.

Promises and Price Tags: A Fiscal Guide to the 2016 Election | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget


Its Trump's tax cuts that will raise our debt (tax cuts that give the 20% of American workers making $59,000 a year 8% of the tax cuts, and then give the richest 5% of Americans 51% of the tax cuts.)

Donald Trump's Tax Plan Would Cost $12 Trillion | CTJReports


You can say "Obama and Hillary want to bankrupt America", but when you look at the actual facts its GW Bush and Donald Trump who want to bankrupt America.
You sound just like a democrat, lots of words, no action, and all of your facts are incorrect...
Vote for Trump if you care about America..
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Old 10-11-2016, 10:41 PM
 
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Trump will order the military to take down the chemtrailers.
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Old 10-11-2016, 10:49 PM
 
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]Trump put many Americans to work .[/b] Hillary wants to kill clean coal jobs.. Hillary is the big job killer along with Obama.
When you are a business man of course you put many to work. But when your business goes bankrupt your employees are out of a job such as what happened with his casino. It's just business to him. He doesn't really care who he put out of work
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Old 10-12-2016, 01:34 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Hillary is stupid killing jobs and outsourcing jobs to other countries.
As Obama and republicans say "Hillary will keep doing what Obama has done and what Obama has tried to do."

Obama tried to end tax breaks for US corporations that outsource jobs, and this would have potentially brought millions of jobs back to America. But republicans stopped the law from passing.

Senate Republicans Vote Against American Jobs By Blocking Bill To End Outsourcing Tax Breaks

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Opened borders keep wages down.
It is low min wage laws that keep wages down (and republicans oppose high min wage laws.)

It is not having unions that keep wages down (and republicans oppose unions.)

It is supply side economics that keep wages down by not giving workers tax cuts (and republicans support supply side economics.)
Donald Trump's Tax Plan Would Cost $12 Trillion | CTJReports


And South American illegal immigrant numbers have greatly fallen to the point Asians now make up the fasted growing illegal immigrant population.

Asians Now Outpace Mexicans In Terms of Undocumented Growth - The Atlantic


Republicans support all the policies that keep worker wages low, and then blame illegal South American immigrants (when Asians are now our biggest illegal immigrant problem.)

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Trump will fight both the dems and Republicans to get things done for the people. Trump will bring it all to light for us to know the corruption.
Trump says some "outstanding" things about tariffs on foreign goods. But the large corporations that finance the republicans campaigns like being able to build factories in Asia and pay workers $2.00 per hour and then send the goods back to America to sell them. Republicans in congress support all of our free trade bills, how will Trump be able to make republicans to stop supporting our free trade laws?

And regardless of Trump's desires to make America great again he still supports supply side tax cuts. And Trump's trillions of dollars of tax cuts for the richest 5% of Americans will greatly increase our national debt. Trump will raise our national debt to 127% of GDP (Hillary will keep our debt at 87% to GDP.)

Promises and Price Tags: A Fiscal Guide to the 2016 Election | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

Donald Trump's Tax Plan Would Cost $12 Trillion | CTJReports
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Old 10-12-2016, 01:52 AM
 
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And GW Bush was president from 2001-2009.

2001 federal spending- $1,862 trillion dollars.
2009 federal spending- $3,517 trillion dollars.

^^^that is 9 yrs^^^
2008 federal spending- $2,982.5

GW Bush increased government spending by $1,655 trillion dollars.



Obama was present 2009-today.

2009 federal spending- $3,517 trillion dollars.
2014 federal spending- $3,506 trillion dollars.
2015 federal spending estimate - $3,758.6 trillion dollars
2016 federal spending estimate- $3,999.5 trillion dollars

Obama decreased government spending.
Obama increased government spending.

Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary | Tax Policy Center

You were off a bit.
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Old 10-12-2016, 08:42 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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And GW Bush was president from 2001-2009.

2001 federal spending- $1,862 trillion dollars.
2009 federal spending- $3,517 trillion dollars.

^^^that is 9 yrs^^^

2008 federal spending- $2,982.5

GW Bush increased government spending by $1,655 trillion dollars.
(I could have made some mistakes in this post, if so I did not do it intentionally.)


You are correct that was 9 years.

According to the CATO institute GW Bush created the budget for the year 2009, so I should have put down the years 2002-2009 for GW Bush (and start any presidents spending history with their 2nd year in office.)
Don't Blame Obama for Bush's 2009 Deficit | Cato @ Liberty


GW Bush

2002 federal spending- $2,010 trillion
2009 federal spending- $3,517 trillion

Spending increase- $1,507 trillion

Quote:
Obama was present 2009-today.

2009 federal spending- $3,517 trillion dollars.
2014 federal spending- $3,506 trillion dollars.
2015 federal spending estimate - $3,758.6 trillion dollars
2016 federal spending estimate- $3,999.5 trillion dollars

Obama decreased government spending.
Obama increased government spending.
My source only listed actual spending/outlays until 2014, after that projections were used (and I did not feel comfortable using projections.)
Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary | Tax Policy Center

My sources 2015 projections were off by approx. (+)$100 billion dollars, and 2016 projections were off by approx. (+)$50 billion dollars.

2015 United States Federal Budget
2016 United States Federal Budget




Obama was president 2009-2016.

2010 spending- $3,457 trillion
2016 spending- $3,950 trillion

Obama increased spending by $493 billion dollars.

2016 United States Federal Budget
https://www.cbo.gov/topics/budget

Quote:
You were off a bit.
The following was adjusted for/by the things you said.

GW Bush increased government spending by $1,507 trillion dollars.
B. Obama increased government spending by $493 billion dollars.



To compare all presidents and adjust for inflation I thought putting the totals in "Constant FY2009 dollars" was the best thing to do.

-"Current Dollars" are listed first next to each year, followed by "Constant FY2009 dollars." And "Constant FY2009 dollars" are used in the following spending increase totals.


Reagan 1981-1989

1982 spending- $745 billion dollars (constant 2009$- $1,579)
1989 spending- $1,143 trillion dollars (constant 2009$- $1,887)

Reagan increased spending by $308 billion dollars.


GHW Bush 1989-1993

1990 spending- $1,253 (constant 2009$- $2,008)
1993 spending- $1,409 (constant 2009$- $2,021)

GHW Bush increased spending by $13 billion dollars



Clinton 1993-2001

1994 spending- $1,461 (constant 2009$- $2,058)
2001 spending- $1,862 (constant 2009$- $2,276)

Clinton increased spending by $218 billion dollars



GW Bush 2001-2009

2002 spending- $2,010 (constant 2009$- $2,416)
2009 spending- $3,517 (constant 2009$- $3,517)

GW Bush increased government spending by $1,101 trillion dollars.



Obama 2009-2016

2010 spending- $3,457 (constant 2009$- $3,416)
2016 spending- $3,950 (constant 2009$- $3,579)

Obama increased spending by $163 billion dollars.



Totals in "Constant FY2009 dollars."

R. Reagan spending increase- $308 billion
GHW Bush spending increase- $13 billion
B. Clinton spending increase- $218 billion
GW Bush spending increase- $1.101 trillion
B. Obama spending increase- $163 billion


Federal Receipt and Outlay Summary | Tax Policy Center
2016 United States Federal Budget



Personal notes and observations,

Clearly Obama does not deserve to be attacked for spending.

And from reading liberal sources I expected Reagan's spending to be higher (perhaps liberals exaggerate to make their cause look better.) But still liberal sources are in the ballpark, while republican sources hide the truth and outright lie saying the democrats are the big spenders.

GHW Bush opposed supply side/trickle down economics and called it "Voodoo Economics." GHW Bush also raised taxes to lower America's deficits (GHW Bush is not a typical republican.)

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