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Old 10-18-2016, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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More corporate power and a smaller govt. to keep an eye on them? No thanks.
Corporations only have "power" by way of government. If you cut off their power source, they don't have any power to force anyone to do anything, or to rig things in their favor.
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Old 10-18-2016, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Iowa
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GW Bush's $1.2 trillion dollars in new federal subsidies.
RealClearMarkets - Do Crony Handouts Have a Stranglehold On the GOP?

GW Bush increasing discretionary outlays (government spending) by an estimated 48.6 percent.
https://www.mercatus.org/publication...-george-w-bush

Even the CATO Institute says GW Bush is the biggest spender since LBJ.
George W. Bush: Biggest Spender Since LBJ | Cato @ Liberty


But from a democrats perspective its more about the handouts rather than the waste with republicans.

Like GW Bush's $3 trillion dollars in tax cuts for the richest 1% of Americans.
Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis

Or Haliburton CEO's Dick Cheney's tax cuts for the oil corporations that financed his campaign.
Big Oil's Influence in Washington . NOW | PBS

Or CEO Mitt Romney's planned $6.6 trillion dollar tax cut for large corporations.
https://thinkprogress.org/romneys-ec...s-52314de0d724

Or Donald Trumps trillions of dollars of tax cuts for the richest 5% of Americans.
Donald Trump's Tax Plan Would Cost $12 Trillion | CTJReports
Only in a liberal's warped mind does a tax cut = a "handout".

You do realize it's their money, right?
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Old 10-18-2016, 03:34 PM
 
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Take home pay.
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Old 10-18-2016, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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the GSA-- all I can say
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Old 10-18-2016, 04:56 PM
 
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Corporations only have "power" by way of government. If you cut off their power source, they don't have any power to force anyone to do anything, or to rig things in their favor.
I wish this point was made more often because you are exactly right. Corps are powerful because they have wormed in with government.

I never understood why leftists fear corporations more than government. Government has a monopoly on the use of force whereas businesses can't do squat.
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Old 10-18-2016, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Still blaming Bush, that story is completely worn out, get a current line.
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Old 10-18-2016, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I wish this point was made more often because you are exactly right. Corps are powerful because they have wormed in with government.

I never understood why leftists fear corporations more than government. Government has a monopoly on the use of force whereas businesses can't do squat.
The overwhelming majority of statists (both left & right) only believe in their worldview thru the lens of governmental intervention (even if it's only to argue less total intervention as the right does at times).

The statist left decry the "private sector" but fail to understand that their precious government is in bed with it. The statist right cry foul on government intrusion into the private sector but only when it fails to rig the game their way.

Both sides are just a variation of authoritarian megalomaniacs. The left is only pro-individual when it serves their interest while the right will put on their collectivist hat when their interests would be best served.

Neither side wants freedom and believes force initiation is perfectly fine.
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Old 10-25-2016, 01:01 PM
 
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Perhaps to really answer your question.

America spending more money on the military than the next 7 most powerful countries combined. And every republican from Ronald Reagan to Donald Trump wants even more military spending.

Reagan's Defense Buildup Bridged Military Eras (washingtonpost.com)
Bush's Defense Budget Biggest Since Reagan Era
Will Romney Increase Defense Spending By $2 Trillion?
Donald Trump calls for military spending increase - CNNPolitics.com


And republicans being opposed to increased fuel efficiency standards for cars so we don't buy so much foreign oil.
DailyTech - Republicans Try to Block 54.5 MPG CAFE Standard

Or republican inefficiencies with our welfare system. Republicans since Ronald Reagan have complained about welfare. But in the last 35 years from Reagan to now republicans have done nothing to fix our welfare system.


And then there's republican efficiently when it comes to fine tuning liberals laws so they don't hurt people, cause waste, and run inefficiently.

Republicans have known for years how to stop Obamacare from hurting small businesses and other Americans, but instead of stopping Obamacare from hurting people the republicans say out-loud they want Obamacare to fail (and then allow Obamacare to hurt small businesses and other Americans.)
GOP Rep. Jack Kingston: Not 'Responsible' To Let Obamacare Fail | Huffington Post

Or not fixing inefficient democrat programs like Sect 8 housing, cash for clunkers, or Obama's solar program. Conservative know-how could have fine tuned those programs so they would have made some sense, but republicans don't use their natural talents to fix those things, instead they just complain about them while these programs waste tax payer money inefficiently.

And its the same thing with public schools. Republicans talk about how our public schools get huge amounts of money but have poor performance. And for decades republicans have complained about the money and done nothing to make public schools more efficient (when they could have.)

And many/most republicans would say its not a republicans responsibility to fix a democrats mess, but it is a republicans responsibility to stop laws from hurting people, and stop tax payer money from being used in a efficient way.
we spend far more than that on our military.we account for nearly 50% of the world military budget.
I wouldnt mind if we would at least win a war every once in a while.
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