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How can you claim lynchings and riots are the acts of majorities when lawmakers elected by majorities have enacted laws making them illegal and applyiing penalties to those who engage in those acts?
you claimed might makes right. I point out the concept of might makes right is no different than lynchings and riots and you make the above point? Are you confused by our discussion? If so, please ask for clarification of any point you aren't clear on.
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Is it a perfect system? Not by any means, but it seems better than most if not all.
Again, pure democracy is not a component of our government. Our system isn't being used. Congress is bypassed by the president illegally, yet Congress has repeatedly shirked its duties to reign in the overreach of both the executive and judicial branches. Our system is not working because it isn't being used.
Instead, elements of a system which is not our system is being used which is why we have so many ignorant youth who have no clue of what our government is and what it is not.
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And? What forms of government and systems have I advocated that are in conflict with this country?
You have advocated the existing actions of our current government leaders as well as those of the past which are not compatible with our governments principal design. You aren't a new poster and I am not shy of reading.
The amusing thing is that these random average people promoting it don't realize, they are the people. They are the ones that will starve and they are the ones that will be filling the ditches. At least we can all look to them while we are all being shoveled into mass graves and say "we told you so!" I am sure that will make us all feel better. /sigh
How about Norway one of the richest countries in the world? Or Australia?
I met several Aussies surfing abroad. Theyd work a year and surf for 6 months at a time. They made ~$60/hr as electricians thanks to controlled immigration and better management of education.
Communism is pretty crap. Saying millenials want to socialize a few aspects of our economy is probably more accurate. The crappy hybrid systems for healthcare, defense and education that rely on taxpayer dollars excessively but operate in "free market" fashion are bankrupting us.
I think most however would like to remove freddie and fannie mae and let housing prices come back to reality. Of course olf folks are having none of that...
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you claimed might makes right. I point out the concept of might makes right is no different than lynchings and riots and you make the above point? Are you confused by our discussion? If so, please ask for clarification of any point you aren't clear on.
HORSE POOP! I claimed NO SUCH THING!
If anyone's confused here it's you but thanks for showing me there's no sense reading any further.
How about Norway one of the richest countries in the world? Or Australia?
I met several Aussies surfing abroad. Theyd work a year and surf for 6 months at a time. They made ~$60/hr as electricians thanks to controlled immigration and better management of education.
Communism is pretty crap. Saying millenials want to socialize a few aspects of our economy is probably more accurate. The crappy hybrid systems for healthcare, defense and education that rely on taxpayer dollars excessively but operate in "free market" fashion are bankrupting us.
I think most however would like to remove freddie and fannie mae and let housing prices come back to reality. Of course olf folks are having none of that...
They are naive. Socialism is a stepping tool to Communism. Communism is the Utopian goal that is never achieved. Socialism has a shelf life and requires more and more to be relinquished to "save" its failure. More and more power is given to the government to achieve this which requires more and more "sacrifice" of individual liberty to achieve the collective ideal.
Communism is carrot on a stick. At the end, the power is supposed to be completely relinquished to the state for their safe distribution and eventual dispersal to which you end up with this Utopian society where everyone is equal and all ownership is as well. What really happens is at that the centralized power continues to collect power until it is unstoppable to which often a dictator steps in and rules over the people.
Socialism/Communism is like a "too good to be true" deal. It will never achieve the result claimed and it often leaves with buyer remorse. We have an entire world history to pull lessons from, but... emotional naivety and a desire to get something for nothing drives people to the same tragedy over and over.
The reason the US was so successful over the years of its inception (even with the infringing socialist attacks) is because it promoted individual liberty and attempted to protect it. Socialism promotes collective good, but exploits individuals to keep selling its promise. countries supporting it aren't doing well, this is a lie protected as much as the MSM protects Clinton.
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It defeats the point you were trying to make. You can't use a fallacy to dismiss the fact that you took objection over their nation tampering position and ignored your own.
Maybe I need more coffee but I really have no idea what you're trying to say here.
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So you think no money should be given to other nations for any reason, be it aid, global initiates, treaties, etc..? If so, then you are at least consistent.
You have a vivid imagination, I said nothing remotely close to that. What I will say is I believe no money/military aid should be given to other countries engaged in their own internal civil wars or to fight proxy wars with other nations.
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Sorry, I would love to live my life and you live yours, but you see... I can't. I try, but at every turn I am fighting the government and its progressive policies which dictate, tax, and intrude into my life. If you support the government in such, then it is basically you not letting me live my life and demanding I live my life as you dictate.
So, how do you think life would be with NO government which seems to be your goal?
Maybe I need more coffee but I really have no idea what you're trying to say here.
You were admonishing the poster over the US's intruding into political affairs through war or policing and stating it was using tax payer money. I was implying a double standard as you likely would have no issues with tax payer money being spent on countries under programs of your approval. Considering the following, I would say I was correct.
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You have a vivid imagination, I said nothing remotely close to that. What I will say is I believe no money/military aid should be given to other countries engaged in their own internal civil wars or to fight proxy wars with other nations.
So, you have no problems giving away tax payer money, you just have a problem with it being given away outside of your approval. Again, double standard because what makes your position of giving tax payer money away any more valid over that of another? You don't have a problem with giving away Tax payer money, you just want it given away as you approve.
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So, how do you think life would be with NO government which seems to be your goal?
False summary. You can not support that assumption by any comment I have made and because of such, you are not worthy of a response. Try not to be devious and maybe I might discuss things with you.
Not surprising actually. This generation doesn't remember the cold war.
Was indoctrinated by bat s**t crazy left wing loon professors in college
sympathetic to radical causes. Go figure.
"Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted." Vladimir Lenin
I'm sure your head would have exploded back in 1912 when a socialist (not Bernie Sanders, mind you, but Eugene V. Debs) gained 6% of the national vote. Those damn millennials!
Damn!!! People learn from things experienced and we learned that communism is something no one should desire. You being a liberal may lean toward communism. I hope you don't get your way in this country.
Just because communism has never worked, and killed millions of people in the attempt, is no reason not to try it again!
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What do you think a Pure Democracy is? /facepalm
Non-existent in the US.
And you?
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