Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 10-25-2016, 03:36 PM
 
62,872 posts, read 29,103,656 times
Reputation: 18559

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafo1981 View Post
yeah and....so what? Cuban-Americans born on American soil prefer to speak Spanish. Nothing illegal about it. What's your beef, why should they speak English, for your benefit?
Cubans chose to migrate here. Isn't it up to immigrants to assimilate to their host country rather than the other way around? Not choosing to speak their chosen nation's language is not assimilation. My beef is that they discriminate against native English speakers in their hiring practices demanding that they know Spanish to get a job in their own country. The same thing is happening all over the southwest and it is directly due to massive illegal immigration from south of our border and too much legal immigration from one lingual group. What happened to diversity in those numbers?


The early immigrants came from Germany, Poland, English, France, etc. They assimilated to English as their primary language of usage. I don't care what language one chooses to speak at home but if they have pre-school children they aren't doing them any favors by not speaking in English to them. Hispanics are the ones who are adamant about Spanish up to an including that we learn to speak it. I don't see any other ethnic group expecting that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-25-2016, 03:41 PM
 
62,872 posts, read 29,103,656 times
Reputation: 18559
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafo1981 View Post
im·mi·grant
ˈiməɡrənt/
noun
a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.
synonyms: newcomer, settler, migrant, emigrant; More
BIOLOGY
an animal or plant living or growing in a region to which it has migrated.

If you could just lose the political rhetoric for just a second you would see that you are wrong. There is no connotation, aliens are immigrants, period.

Now let's get back to our immigration law terminology. An immigrant is someone who comes here legally an illegal alien does not. At least if you're going to use the word immigrant at least use the correct adjective to describe but kind of immigrant that they are for the sake of honesty. Yes, alien does mean foreigner. Ever heard of a Resident Alien card? Hint, it's not issued to illegal aliens.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2016, 03:44 PM
 
62,872 posts, read 29,103,656 times
Reputation: 18559
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafo1981 View Post
All the Cuban-Americans I know also speak English, they just prefer Spanish. So what? Most Germans speak English. You have no point other than, " I don't like it." Right now I'm sitting outside and hearing my French Canadien neighbors speak French to each other. So what? Get over yourself.

I never said that most Cubans can't speak English but when they will only hire Spanish speakers I have an issue with that. It's not like we are having a new influx of Cubans floating over here everyday in large numbers. That's the point!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2016, 03:46 PM
 
724 posts, read 592,967 times
Reputation: 550
Are you saying that because Hispanic people may prefer to speak Spanish over English, even though they DO know how to speak english, have children that speak English with no accent, love football and baseball, drive American trucks and pay taxes are somehow not assimilating? You are like talking to a brick.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2016, 03:57 PM
 
3,368 posts, read 1,604,433 times
Reputation: 1652
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafo1981 View Post
All the Cuban-Americans I know also speak English, they just prefer Spanish. So what? Most Germans speak English. You have no point other than, " I don't like it." Right now I'm sitting outside and hearing my French Canadien neighbors speak French to each other. So what? Get over yourself.
What are you ranting about? I don't believe any one said the issue was bilingual people.
I never said I "didn't like " a language. You are not focusing your argument at all.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafo1981 View Post
No it doesn't, it is a fairly direct and simple word, the definition of which I gave you. You are wrong. Admit it.
Yes, your definition said "permanent" move. If you can legally be removed by the law of the land, you have not made a permanent move.



I suppose if a squatter broke in and began living in a house you own, you would respectfully refer to him as the resident of the house?

Last edited by Jimbo302; 10-25-2016 at 04:21 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2016, 04:43 PM
 
3,852 posts, read 2,223,743 times
Reputation: 3127
Quote:
Originally Posted by WIHS2006 View Post
English and Spanish should be the co-official national languages. The United States is the 2nd largest Spanish speaking nation after Mexico, and will surpass Mexico by 2050.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...eaking-country
The article assumes that "hispanics" will speak spanish.

By 2050 most hispanics will not speak Spanish.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2016, 04:56 PM
 
62,872 posts, read 29,103,656 times
Reputation: 18559
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafo1981 View Post
Are you saying that because Hispanic people may prefer to speak Spanish over English, even though they DO know how to speak english, have children that speak English with no accent, love football and baseball, drive American trucks and pay taxes are somehow not assimilating? You are like talking to a brick.

It's about linguistic assimilation nothing more. However, I do take offense at those who think their ethnic group is above our immigration laws and should be rewarded for breaking them. Respecting our laws is also a part of the assimilation process.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2016, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
13,561 posts, read 10,348,473 times
Reputation: 8252
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbo302 View Post
Because this is an English speaking country and was founded as such. At the very least , it is disrespectful for persons to impose a foreign language in a society in which they wish to integrate into.
Moving to France, Mexico, Germany, Japan, etc... without any effort to learn the country's language would be foolish and disrespectful at the least.
Uh, no. Your assertion is at odds with history. Many languages, both indigenous and European, were spoken in the colonies well before the Revolution. The Continental Congress saw the need to translate several documents in both German and English to broaden appeal of the Revolutionary cause.

To this day, the US has not designated an official language.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2016, 08:40 PM
 
3,852 posts, read 2,223,743 times
Reputation: 3127
Quote:
Originally Posted by silverkris View Post
Uh, no. Your assertion is at odds with history. Many languages, both indigenous and European, were spoken in the colonies well before the Revolution.
You could say that about any country in the new world. Following that ridiculous logic I could argue that Spanish is not the national language of Mexico.

Quote:
To this day, the US has not designated an official language.
We havent bothered to legally designate it because we dont need to. That does not change the fact that English is the language of the United States.

Spanish is foreign language here, an immigrant language.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-25-2016, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
23,856 posts, read 13,735,298 times
Reputation: 15482
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tritone View Post
You could say that about any country in the new world. Following that ridiculous logic I could argue that Spanish is not the national language of Mexico.



We havent bothered to legally designate it because we dont need to. That does not change the fact that English is the language of the United States.

Spanish is foreign language here, an immigrant language.
There is a large swathe of this country where Spanish was the first European language spoken, and English is the immigrant language, a distinct late-comer.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:04 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top