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Old 10-21-2016, 03:55 PM
 
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If we just ditched the Christian religion, if we just did this or that. Maybe if we just ditched white skin, that'd be the ticket? Is there nothing about the democrat party or Hillary they don't like? It doesn't add up. And what do we need it for?
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Old 10-21-2016, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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no one can really control the market. The can only control certain outcomes. The market is far to powerful to be controlled by any real central planner. This is why the government always fail to "fix" the economy. And any politician who says they can fix the economy is just a Keynesian with old ideas. Keynesianism is the establishment, but there is a rise in free market Austrian school thinkers.
Get full-blown Austrian and go Stateless then.

Are you willing to take the jump?
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Old 10-21-2016, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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I live in Seattle, and most the Asians I know are pretty conservative, but they are pretty split on whether they vote Republican or Democrat. Most of these individuals are Chinese, Japanese, or SE Asians. I think if the Republican party ditched the whole religion thing, they would own the East Asian vote for sure. Asians are a really divers group though, so it's hard to group them. I know only one Indian personally and a couple of Pacific Islanders. I couldn't tell you what their voting habits are. The Pacific Islanders are Mormons, so I would assume they're republicans, but who knows.
Well, "conservative" does not necessarily = "sure Republican vote".

One thing is that political allegiances can shift over time. I used to pretty much think that anti-Communism often animated or influenced different Asian communities to vote. A lot of Chinese, Koreans, and more recently, Vietnamese Americans often voted Republican because of that sentiment. Nancy Pelosi's criticism over China's human rights record over the years plays well to her SF Chinatown constituents.

As recently as 1992, Asian Americans gave more of their votes to Bush than Bill Clinton.

But a lot has changed since then, which surprises even me, a Chinese-American. Certainly a lot of the anti-immigration jingoism by the likes of Pete Wilson, though aimed mostly at Latinos, doesn't sit well with many Asian groups.
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Old 10-21-2016, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Indian Muslims, Pakistanis, Afghanis, and Bangladeshis are obviously not going to support Trump. Hindus and Sikhs are a different story. They tend to be pro-Trump. Not just the Islam stuff, but also considering how many are enterpreneurs they admire Trump for building a business empire.

Don't know about Parsis, Christians, or Jews (there are a few Indian Jews)
Well, I'm in Silicon Valley, where entrepreneurism is somewhat of a second religion, and there is very little affinity for Trump among the high-tech elite. Trump isn't held up as a business success story or model here, and there are a lot of Indian Americans in this area. I haven't heard of many Indians locally who have professed to like Trump - and Harmeet Singh is a big exception because she is a local GOP official.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ronakdes.../#2235fd8036ac
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Old 10-21-2016, 07:47 PM
 
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That's a false dichotomy trading on the tired, inaccurate "folks wanting handouts" trope.

In any case, the vast majority of Asian American voters don't like Trump, who has neither so-called strong family values nor a work ethic.
Are you arguing that a significant attraction of voters to the democrat party is NOT the fact that it plays Santa Claus and gives away a lot of stuff?
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Old 10-21-2016, 08:07 PM
 
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Are you arguing that a significant attraction of voters to the democrat party is NOT the fact that it plays Santa Claus and gives away a lot of stuff?
And based on identity group wish list and not based on being naughty or nice.
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Old 10-22-2016, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Prescott Arizona
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Well, "conservative" does not necessarily = "sure Republican vote".

One thing is that political allegiances can shift over time. I used to pretty much think that anti-Communism often animated or influenced different Asian communities to vote. A lot of Chinese, Koreans, and more recently, Vietnamese Americans often voted Republican because of that sentiment. Nancy Pelosi's criticism over China's human rights record over the years plays well to her SF Chinatown constituents.

As recently as 1992, Asian Americans gave more of their votes to Bush than Bill Clinton.

But a lot has changed since then, which surprises even me, a Chinese-American. Certainly a lot of the anti-immigration jingoism by the likes of Pete Wilson, though aimed mostly at Latinos, doesn't sit well with many Asian groups.
One of my Chinese American co-workers has told me that older generation Chinese Americans tend to be far more conservative and capitalistic than their children or grandchildren. said Co-worker is a libertarian, but says his dad literally has a picture of Ronald Reagan on the wall of his man-cave. He's also said that older Chinese Americans are typically gun owners as well.

While I don't know any Cubans, I've read that there are a lot of similarities to Chinese Americans immigrant within the older generations, due to experiencing true Communism. I used to work with a guy from Czechoslovakia that was the same way.
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Old 10-22-2016, 12:52 AM
 
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Whites are not voting in lock step on tribalism and group identity or for open borders to their ethnic group, that's the difference. We vote based on conservation of American values and culture and on socialism vs independence.
Pure fiction. Everything you posted.

Whites vote on the same issues as everyone else.
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Old 10-22-2016, 01:03 AM
 
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Pure fiction. Everything you posted.

Whites vote on the same issues as everyone else.
Then for starters why do whites vote 60% for Republican and everyone else vote around 80% democrat? Is this fiction http://www.gallup.com/poll/139880/el...te-groups.aspx
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Old 10-22-2016, 02:45 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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You can see for yourself how different variables affect likelihood of supporting Trump. In the sample, taken from July 2015 through August 2016, 35% of respondents had a favorable view of Trump. The probability of any person supporting Trump went up or down when factoring in these variables:
Male: +14 percentage points
White: +9
Installation and repair workers: +9
Transportation workers: +7
Asian: +6
Veteran family: +6
Self-employed: +6
Manufacturing worker: +5
Sales worker: +4
Unemployed +4
High school diploma (max): +3
Less diverse area: +3
Less educated area: +3
Farmer: +3
Business owner: +3
Older: +3
Married: +2
Parent: +2
Richer: +2
Area with worse white health: +2
Area with fewer non-profits: +1
Area with less manufacturing: +1
Area with lower voting rate: +1
Less urban area: +1
Farther from Mexico: +1
Whiter area: +1
Less white area: -1
Closer to Mexico: -1
More urban area: -1
Area with higher voting rate: -1
Area with more manufacturing: -1
Area with more non-profits: -1
Catholic: -1
Part-time worker: -1
Area with better white health: -2
Poorer: -2
Clerical worker: -2
Professional: -2
Younger: -3
No high school diploma: -3
More diverse area: -3
More educated area: -3
Union: -4
Mormon: -7
Bachelor’s degree (max): -9
Jewish: -9
LGBTQ: -10
Atheist: -11
Female: -14
Post-grad degree: -16
Muslim: -16
Black: -19
Hispanic -20
So you're implying that racists oppose Trump? Probably true.
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