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WhereTF did you get the freaking idea that The rest of the U.S. population is covered by their employer, Medicaid or Medi-Cal or by the U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs.
You are completely out of touch with reality.
I wanna know why they think the employer, and other methods of where people get their insurance from, isnt affected by the very same law, and why they think only ACA is affected.
Sounds like an admittance that ACA is a complete failure..
A friend posted her quotes on FB. Right now they pay $1800 a month, the same plan next year is $3800 per month. Their health insurance is going to cost them more than their mortgage and food budgets combined.
I'm sure it will be a huge comfort to know she doesn't matter according to the OP.
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Originally Posted by kat in aiken
I know this is hard to trumpists and obamacare haters to swallow... but there are states in which - GASP! - the premiums will actually go down! Hard to believe!
What states? I assure you it is not where I live. My insurance has gone up about 50% ...again. Thanks, Obamacare. I can barely afford to pay for mine, yet so many get subsidies.
Tell it to the people in IL who must go through the marketplace or be fined.
Depending on the carrier, there will be increases of:
18.6%
22.3%
37.3%
46.3%
51.3%
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2017 rates will be sharply higher
The Illinois exchange will have five carriers in 2017, down from nine in 2016. Harken, Aetna, Coventry, and UnitedHealthcare are exiting at the end of 2016, and Land of Lincoln Health was placed in liquidation at the end of September, with coverage ending September 30 (details on the departures are below). But Cigna has filed rates for plans to be offered on-exchange in the Chicago area, and will be new to the exchange for 2017. Most counties in Illinois will have two carriers offering plans (note that Cook County will have three carriers — not four — now that Harken has announced their departure from the exchange), although much of central Illinois will have three carriers, and a few counties will have just one.
The participating exchange carriers proposed the following rate increases for 2017:
Celtic Insurance Co. (Ambetter): 18.6 percent or 22.3 percent, depending on whether the plan includes dental and vision
It's important to note, only a small percentage of Americans use health insurance plans provided by the 2010 ACA.
HHS states, 20 million people have enrolled in Obamacare since 2010, but there are about 319 million people in the U.S.
This means, less than seven percent of Americans use Obamacare. The rest of the U.S. population is covered by their employer, Medicaid or Medi-Cal or by the U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs.
The HHS report encourages those who could be looking at price increases, to shop around for a new plan for 2017. The average premium in 2017 is expected to be about $28 less on average after tax credits, than in 2016- a 20 percent reduction.
Once again, if you cared about those deaths, youd OPPOSE ACA as a complete failure that it is.. but you dont care, because you're still trying to defend it.
Nonsense and pointlessly jingoistic comments like this one you posted have no merit.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
NONE of those "costs" are controlled with ACA
Yet again you demonstrate that you haven't read or understood the posts of mine that you've been replying to.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
I dont owe you an apology
Yes, you do.
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Originally Posted by brentwoodgirl
No use discussing with dishonest people who pretend like the "government" has its own money.
There's no use discussing healthcare at all until immoral political conservatives admit that people's lives are more important than money.
Try suggesting something that leaves the people currently covered covered, as well covered as they are covered now, without even a minute's worth of interruption. Within that context, I'm all ears with regard to how to reduce costs and make things better.
No one should get the idea that they can suggest anything that would throw a poor person into the gutter without being held to account for such an immoral suggestion.
Only reason to buy insurance via an exchange is if you qualify for a subsidy.
While 85% will not be impacted, the government is picking up the increased tab.
Congress has never been particularity in favor of getting to the root causes, the cost of healthcare and that 75% of us are overweight/ obese, thus substantially more vulnerable to disease which is treatable, at a cost.
Diabetes, high cholesterol, high BP and so on all are prone to complications all of which result in treatment / medications resulting in insurance claims for reimbursement.
The minority who maintain healthy lifestyles subsidize the majority who do not.
This. Too many Americans are obese and way too many Americans are obese and about to enter Medicare. Running out of healthy young folks to subsidize those who can't bother to take care of themselves.
The red states are the primary "takers." Most of our GDP is generated in the Big Blue Highly Educated Power Centers--ya know, New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc.
GDP is only measured in money, not actual production of goods and services.
Can you identify what part of the GDP represents the millions of child care givers ("parents") who are unpaid? Or adult children who care for their parents, without pay?
Or barter, not denominated in dollar bills?
According to this site, finance (usury), is the biggest factor of the GDP. aig – My Very Special Internet Website
Thus banking centers would appear to be the biggest contributors to the GDP.
But finance is a parasitical function, not a productive function.
Investors don't contribute goods and services in equitable trade. They endlessly skim from the productive people. In that regard, they're "TAKERS" just like socialist recipients.
Shop around, that might be fine for some, but many families depend on the insurance offered by their employers.
Not to mention something the progressives on this thread neglect to mention...that some states only have one provider on the exchange, rendering shopping around a fantasy.
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