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The red states are the primary "takers." Most of our GDP is generated in the Big Blue Highly Educated Power Centers--ya know, New York, San Francisco, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc.
Then why does California represent half the nations welfare recipients?
Those "studies" showing the GOP are the takers, study federal spending, and have no considering on the services those red states provide to the government in exchange.. Things like military bases, oil etc..
It severely impacts those who use the plans, presumably the ones Obama was trying to help.
Most of those people will receive subsidies to cover the rate increase. And of course, they are always free to pursue insurance coverage outside of the exchanges.
Why not reply to the point I made, when replying to my comment? Or can I assume that your silence implies agreement?
If the left though managment overhead was such an insignificant amount of the cost, they wouldnt spend so much time whining about multi million dollar salaries for management.
Furthermore, if that is such a small amount of the cost, going to a single payer system, will not affect the high cost, since the payment insurance companies make, and the government, are on part per ICD10/UCR code....
All you have done is argued AGAINST the government takeover of the system..
It's important to note, only a small percentage of Americans use health insurance plans provided by the 2010 ACA.
HHS states, 20 million people have enrolled in Obamacare since 2010, but there are about 319 million people in the U.S.
This means, less than seven percent of Americans use Obamacare. The rest of the U.S. population is covered by their employer, Medicaid or Medi-Cal or by the U.S. Department of Veteran Affairs.
The HHS report encourages those who could be looking at price increases, to shop around for a new plan for 2017. The average premium in 2017 is expected to be about $28 less on average after tax credits, than in 2016- a 20 percent reduction.
First, it affects the ones not on welfare that actually have to pay for their own insurance. They are forced to pay a higher rate than pre-O-care, for less choice in the insurance they buy and higher deductibles.
Second, it affects every taxpayer that is forced to provide welfare to others that get "subsidies".
Liberals seem to have a real problem with vocabulary. They keep using the term "free". I don't think they have a clue what it means.
Most of those people will receive subsidies to cover the rate increase. And of course, they are always free to pursue insurance coverage outside of the exchanges.
So the insurance company has figured out they can increase their premiums and put the taxpayer on the hook for the increased cost, and the left suddenly thinks thats FANTASTIC..
First, it affects the ones not on welfare that actually have to pay for their own insurance. They are forced to pay a higher rate than pre-O-care, for less choice in the insurance they buy and higher deductibles.
Second, it affects every taxpayer that is forced to provide welfare to others that get "subsidies".
Liberals seem to have a real problem with vocabulary. They keep using the term "free". I don't think they have a clue what it means.
We were already providing "welfare." When granny gets a foot amputation and can't foot the bill (no pun intended), who do you think ends up paying for that?
So those that don't have ObamaCareNot won't be affected by the price increase. Seriously, and that makes it a winner.
That is probably not actually true. Insurance companies will recover costs from others that are insured with those same companies. Think about it.
Also, doesn't matter. More and more people are becoming uninsured because they can't afford it and who pays for their healthcare when they can't pay? Taxpayer.
Liberals have tunnel vision when they have any at all.
Far from true. They will be paying additional taxes to fund O-care welfare subsidies. Don't fall into the leftist trap.
Stop spewing random sound bites. If you are replying to my comment, then reply to what I wrote.
Here's your third opportunity.
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Correct. I don't. All analyses of the industry show that the vast majority of the cost of healthcare is the provision of healthcare services, devices and pharmaceuticals - not the cost of maintaining insurance.
To the extent that the cost of maintaining insurance is an issue for you, we should switch to single-payer. That'll reduce those costs the most. However, still, that's a comparatively insignificant amount of money as compared to the cost of the provision of healthcare services, devices and pharmaceuticals.
Any discussion of reducing costs that focuses on the cost of maintaining insurance is a deflection.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
All you have done is argued AGAINST the government takeover of the system..
Right now it appears you haven't even read my argument, so I don't think you have any idea what I've argued for or against.
Stop spewing random sound bites. If you are replying to my comment, then reply to what I wrote.
Here's your third opportunity.
Right now it appears you haven't even read my argument, so I don't think you have any idea what I've argued for or against.
I've replied NUMEROUS times.. its YOU ignoring the response because it doesnt support your left wing agenda that government takeover of the industry will somehow save money, unless of course they are going to ration treatment..
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