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you said what I was going to say, its amazing the sympathy people have for these criminals, if they had been hispanic or black they would have lasted 10 minutes before the feds had opened fire on them,and all the right wingers would have been cheering.it pays to be a paranoid white gun lover, doesnt it???
Except that is a load of crap and the narrative that is begin pushed by race inciting groups.
When we look at all of the facts, this whole race issue is nothing short of propaganda pushed by progressives.
I'm not at all sure race had anything much to do with the verdict.
The prosecution gambled on using the conspiracy charge; they would have have a more sure conviction if the charge had been trespassing, but they wanted to go for a felony, not a misdemeanor.
In the end, the prosecutors failed to convince the jury that the refuge takeover was a planned-out conspiracy, not one that arose from a spontaneous, impulsive decision made by one guy with a supporting brother and a couple of friends as a loose group.
I thought from the beginning that the trial was rushed. Given the number of the accused and the variety of the defendants's histories, backgrounds, and degrees of involvement, it would have been more reasonable to expect a trial this large and complex would require most of a year to put together beforehand, not just a few months.
At the same time, Lawyer Mumford, Ammon Bundy's attorney, may have opened up a can of whoopass that may be dumped on his client later on by forcing the inclusion of the constitutional issues used in his defense tactics.
Despite the judge's warning that the Constitution was not at issue in the trial, Mumford insisted that they were. Some were allowed into testimony by the judge.
It's expected that the Nevada trial will have these issues brought up as a part of the prosecution, so now those jurors will have a picture of how the 2 events, separated by distance and time, are connected. The first leading to another, later, bigger one.
That connection could have some pretty bad consequences for both brothers, but Ryan Bundy could have the worst, as he broke the law a second time after Bunkerville when he led a line of ATV's into Recapture Canyon, a nearly pristine archeological site that is highly restricted and protected.
In the past, several families like the Bundys, which have shown a continuing pattern of defiance of federal laws and a willingness to use violence, have ended up serving some long prison sentences.
A group like them who went through a similar long stand-off in Montana in the late 90s- family members and their associates- are still serving time for events that are happened 18 years ago.
Tactics, legal strategies, intelligence, and planning inside the federal government have all changed radically since Waco and Ruby Ridge. But the Portland trial shows, that despite all that, mistakes can still be made by the people implementing those plans.
The Portland jury made it clear that while they decided the prosecution failed to show sufficient evidence of their charges, the jury's decision was not a valediction of the Bundy's political beliefs or asiprations in any manner.
Ammon Bundy and the others didn't win. They just didn't lose.
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I'm not at all sure race had anything much to do with the verdict.
The prosecution gambled on using the conspiracy charge; they would have have a more sure conviction if the charge had been trespassing, but they wanted to go for a felony, not a misdemeanor.
In the end, the prosecutors failed to convince the jury that the refuge takeover was a planned-out conspiracy, not one that arose from a spontaneous, impulsive decision made by one guy with a supporting brother and a couple of friends as a loose group.
I thought from the beginning that the trial was rushed. Given the number of the accused and the variety of the defendants's histories, backgrounds, and degrees of involvement, it would have been more reasonable to expect a trial this large and complex would require most of a year to put together beforehand, not just a few months.
At the same time, Lawyer Mumford, Ammon Bundy's attorney, may have opened up a can of whoopass that may be dumped on his client later on by forcing the inclusion of the constitutional issues used in his defense tactics.
Despite the judge's warning that the Constitution was not at issue in the trial, Mumford insisted that they were. Some were allowed into testimony by the judge.
It's expected that the Nevada trial will have these issues brought up as a part of the prosecution, so now those jurors will have a picture of how the 2 events, separated by distance and time, are connected. The first leading to another, later, bigger one.
That connection could have some pretty bad consequences for both brothers, but Ryan Bundy could have the worst, as he broke the law a second time after Bunkerville when he led a line of ATV's into Recapture Canyon, a nearly pristine archeological site that is highly restricted and protected.
In the past, several families like the Bundys, which have shown a continuing pattern of defiance of federal laws and a willingness to use violence, have ended up serving some long prison sentences.
A group like them who went through a similar long stand-off in Montana in the late 90s- family members and their associates- are still serving time for events that are happened 18 years ago.
Tactics, legal strategies, intelligence, and planning inside the federal government have all changed radically since Waco and Ruby Ridge. But the Portland trial shows, that despite all that, mistakes can still be made by the people implementing those plans.
The Portland jury made it clear that while they decided the prosecution failed to show sufficient evidence of their charges, the jury's decision was not a valediction of the Bundy's political beliefs or asiprations in any manner.
Ammon Bundy and the others didn't win. They just didn't lose.
Nice justification to being wrong about an armed protest, on land the federal government cannot own according to the constitution.
Nice justification to being wrong about an armed protest, on land the federal government cannot own according to the constitution.
Well according to your constitution, but then you believe Cliven Bundy and others own the land.
Assuming your are correct, who owns the land, if the federal government doesn't own it then is it the native Indians, the state, the city??
Well according to your constitution, but then you believe Cliven Bundy and others own the land.
Assuming your are correct, who owns the land, if the federal government doesn't own it then is it the native Indians, the state, the city??
From what I saw, the government found out the hard way, the people own the land.
Well according to your constitution, but then you believe Cliven Bundy and others own the land.
They do. As do you and I.
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