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Old 10-31-2016, 10:34 AM
 
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My take is that they are selling out the American people for their own financial gain. By raising wage requirements in the US, and lowering wages around the globe, they get rich in being the middleman that facilitates companies getting cheap labor and low taxes to do business in the US.

How else would you explain their take on raising American wages against lowering wages globally - alongside of their activity in helping business obtain cheap labor?

They are selling us out.



Hillary Confidant Hails Ghana’s 23-Cent Wage to Textile Investors

Cheryl D. Mills, long-time friend and confidant of Bill and Hillary Clinton, is promoting a 23 cents-an-hour wage in the West African nation of Ghana to lure textile and apparel industry companies to invest there even as the former secretary of state advocates a $15-an-hour “livable wage” here.


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WikiLeaks Haiti: Let Them Live on $3 a Day

Contractors for Fruit of the Loom, Hanes and Levi’s worked in close concert with the US Embassy when they aggressively moved to block a minimum wage increase for Haitian assembly zone workers, the lowest-paid in the hemisphere, according to secret State Department cables.

The factory owners told the Haitian Parliament that they were willing to give workers a 9-cents-per-hour pay increase to 31 cents per hour to make T-shirts, bras and underwear for US clothing giants like Dockers and Nautica.

But the factory owners refused to pay 62 cents per hour, or $5 per day, as a measure unanimously passed by the Haitian Parliament in June 2009 would have mandated. And they had the vigorous backing of the US Agency for International Development and the US Embassy when they took that stand.


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Hillary Clinton Stopped Haiti from Increasing Minimum Wage

Haiti supplies the U.S tons of affordable clothing from big-name brands like Levi¡¯s, Hanes and Polo. Its main advantage over other countries is not only its proximity to the U.S, Haiti's people work for peanut; they work for slave wages, less than $5 a day and the U.S clothing manufacturers, outsource their manufacturing to places like Haiti specifically because they can get away with paying slave wages.

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In 2009, when Bill Clinton was setting up one of his family's shell companies in New York, during that same year, Hillary was at the State Department working with U.S. corporations to pressure Haiti not to increase its minimum wage from 27 cents to 61 cents per hour and decided to get the U.S. Department of State involved to try and pressure Haiti's government to keep the wage raise down.
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Old 10-31-2016, 10:41 AM
 
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This is from a socialist website - but it illustrates the positions of the US back from 2009 with regards to Haiti and labor.

Haiti: Women Workers Strike Against Starvation Wages

The vast majority of men and women’s underwear sold in the United States is made in Haiti, by contractors working for Hanes Brands, Fruit of the Loom and other retailers. Levi’s jeans, Dickies uniforms and a whole array of garments sold by major chain stores including Gap, Old Navy, Target, Kohl’s, K-Mart and Walmart are produced in these plants. But their labor costs are infinitesimal. Workers at the Genesis factory which makes t-shirts for Montreal-based Gildan Activewear (the largest t-shirt manufacturer in the world) receive one cent (US$.01) for every six shirts their module produces, which would mean producing 3,600 t-shirts just to make the minimum US$7 daily minimum wage. They actually make an average of US$5.55.

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The WRC report noted that pay was even lower at the Caracol industrial park inaugurated in October 2012 with great fanfare (and the presence of Bill and Hillary Clinton, movie star Sean Penn, fashion designer Donna Karan and Haiti’s current and former presidents) as the U.S.’ main contribution to Haiti’s post-2010 earthquake reconstruction, although it is 100 miles from the quake zone. The Caracol complex (factory, power plant, housing, and future port) was paid for almost entirely by U.S. AID and Inter-American Development Bank funds. Its only tenant, the Korean SAE-A corporation, vowed to be globally competitive “without compromising on labor and environmental standards. Yet workers there make only US$4.67 a day.



They also understand what higher wages do to an economy.

A trove of confidential U.S. government cables released in 2011 by the WikiLeaks Internet transparency group revealed a massive embassy operation behind the employer rollback of the 200 gourde ($5) minimum wage law in 2009. A 17 June 2009 cable from U.S. chargé d’affaires Thomas Tighe to his boss Hillary Clinton said that a “200 Haitian gourde minimum wage would make the [assembly] sector economically unviable and consequently force factories to shut down” and “would devastate the industry and negatively impact the benefits of the Haitian Hemispheric through Opportunity Partnership Encouragement Act (HOPE II)” (“WikiLeaks Haiti: Let Them Live on $3 a Day,” The Nation, 1 June 2011).

Going back to the dictatorial regime of Jean-Claude (“Baby Doc”) Duvalier in the 1980s, the U.S.’ “development strategy” for Haiti has always focused on low-wage factory labor. The most immediate effect of this policy was to devastate food production, as hundreds of thousands of impoverished peasants flocked to Port-au-Prince in search of jobs.



And when the agriculture jobs dried up, Bill Clinton's buddies stepped in to fatten their pockets.

Bill Clinton confessed to the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 2010 that U.S. policy of gutting Haitian agriculture and forcing massive imports of cheap food staples “may have been good for some of my farmers in Arkansas,” but the consequence was a “loss of capacity to produce a rice crop in Haiti to feed those people because of what I did.” Nevertheless Bill and Hillary are still pushing the policy of starvation-wage factory labor, tourism and agro-industrial export crops in the north. To this has now been added mining, searching for gold in the hills of Quisqueya as the avaricious Spanish conquerors did in the early 1500s (in the course of which they committed genocide against the indigenous Taino population).

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Old 10-31-2016, 11:00 AM
 
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Wages do not matter.

What matters is what your wage will buy in the local economy.

POTUS does not determine Minimum Wage.

Hillary advocating for a national $15 hour Minimum Wage is DOA in Congress.

All nominees take some public positions they know Congress will not support.

Trump said he would " replace Obamacare with something wonderful that will take care of everybody and the government is going to pay for it". That too would be DOA, in Congress.
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Old 10-31-2016, 11:10 AM
 
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Wages do not matter.

What matters is what your wage will buy in the local economy.

POTUS does not determine Minimum Wage.

Hillary advocating for a national $15 hour Minimum Wage is DOA in Congress.

All nominees take some public positions they know Congress will not support.

Trump said he would " replace Obamacare with something wonderful that will take care of everybody and the government is going to pay for it". That too would be DOA, in Congress.
I never said the president determines the minimum wage.

I said the Clinton's desire to manipulate wage laws to their financial gain sells out the American people.


The article stated...
A leading Haitian economist, Camille Chalmers, calculated that basic living expenses for a family of four are at least US$25 a day. A 2011 study by the American AFL-CIO labor federation put the bare minimum at US$29 a day.


I quoted the article - they make $5.55 a day... at least in 2011 when all of this was going on.
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Old 10-31-2016, 02:18 PM
 
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I never said the president determines the minimum wage.

I said the Clinton's desire to manipulate wage laws to their financial gain sells out the American people.


The article stated...
A leading Haitian economist, Camille Chalmers, calculated that basic living expenses for a family of four are at least US$25 a day. A 2011 study by the American AFL-CIO labor federation put the bare minimum at US$29 a day.


I quoted the article - they make $5.55 a day... at least in 2011 when all of this was going on.
The US has been manipulating wages in Haiti ( and other places) for quite some time.

Haiti and Hillary Clinton : snopes.com

This goes on to explain cost of living:

http://www.solidaritycenter.org/wp-c...ed.3-11-15.pdf


The US standard of living, as determined by the stuff one acquires historically depends on cheap foreign labor. In 2006, US imports of textiles/ clothing became duty- free.

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Old 11-01-2016, 01:58 AM
 
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Hillary is a globalist bought and paid for by globalist donors. $3/day or $5/day, even slaves weren't that cheap to own and keep. The only person politicians like Hillary care about is their self and the only thing they care about is money and controlling the people and making them all equally insignificant. As bad as all that is, it's beyond the pale to defy the Haitian parliament's meager ruling of $5/day.

Everything Hillary proposes to offer is hot air. A higher US minimum wage isn't going to do anyone any good with open borders and globalism.
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:01 AM
 
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My take is that they are selling out the American people for their own financial gain. By raising wage requirements in the US, and lowering wages around the globe, they get rich in being the middleman that facilitates companies getting cheap labor and low taxes to do business in the US.

How else would you explain their take on raising American wages against lowering wages globally - alongside of their activity in helping business obtain cheap labor?

They are selling us out.
1. Who exactly gains when a foundation "makes money"?

2. How is the Clinton Foundation "acting as a middleman" to facilitate "getting cheap labor"?
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:07 AM
 
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The US standard of living, as determined by the stuff one acquires historically depends on cheap foreign labor. In 2006, US imports of textiles/ clothing became duty- free.
No it isn't. There's no reason to assume that a marginally lower production cost will be passed on to the consumer. Plus there is a social net cost for lost employment and lost tax revenue.
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:09 AM
 
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No it isn't. There's no reason to assume that a marginally lower production cost will be passed on to the consumer. Plus there is a social net cost for lost employment and lost tax revenue.
No economist in the world would agree with this. Lower production costs across an entire industry almost certainly result in lower costs to consumers.
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Old 11-01-2016, 02:12 AM
 
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Hillary is paid off by globalist donors for implementing their policies.

The Clintons went from reportedly in debt when leaving the white house in 2000 to earning $130/million by 2012, and $1 billion for the money laundering Clinton foundation. This is just pay offs.
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