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Old 11-02-2016, 03:19 PM
 
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The prof taught English. Gen Ed courses are required, and English course credits are not only almost always required to earn a degree (unless one tests out for credit or has AP credit/s in English), it's a course frequently taken to meet Gen Ed requirements. So, no, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Business and Engineering majors take those English classes, too.
The use of the word typically instead of the word "All" should have tipped you off that I understand that you might have some of the engineer types in the class but they would be less prevalent than the others. I certainly didn't say there wouldn't be any.

In fact, you point out quite accurately that the kids that tested out or had AP credit won't be in there and you can bet those would be the above average students at that college.

Basically, you misunderstood my point, misquoted it and then tacked on after pointing out additional reasons agreeing with my point that the course would have typically lower tier students in it at a school that is average.

Um, thanks?
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Old 11-02-2016, 05:00 PM
 
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I have an idea. Lets blame new immigrants for slavery as soon as they get here. That might cut down on immigration. We can put a sign right on the border that says - Bienvenido ex amo esclavo. Pagar reparaciones aqui - (Welcome former slave master. Pay reparations here.)

After all , just ask a liberal. We are a nation of immigrants , who are also responsible for slavery even though they weren't here. They got it all worked out.
We can definitely blame latin American immigrants and illegals for not just slavery but colonization and racism too. 90%+ of the slave trade went to latin America where it was much harsher slavery. Latin Americans and Mexicans are around 40-60% Spanish on average, the descendants of the conquistadors and allied tribes, and of questionable mating with the Indians and slaves.

Who is really responsible for slavery in the Americas is the original globalist. They still to this day go around trying to make basically slaves out of people.
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Old 11-02-2016, 05:10 PM
 
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We can definitely blame latin American immigrants and illegals for not just slavery but colonization and racism too. 90%+ of the slave trade went to latin America where it was much harsher slavery. Latin Americans and Mexicans are around 40-60% Spanish on average, the descendants of the conquistadors and of questionable mating with the Indians and slaves.

Who is really responsible for slavery in the Americas is the original globalist. They still to this day go around trying to make basically slaves out of people.

I really don't want to blame anyone. I highly doubt you really do either. Its nothing but another form of collectivism among other things. However if Mexicans want to play this game, then I wonder what the hell they are thinking given they are a cross of Conquistador and Human sacrificing Mexica. Had one tell me they were proud of their native culture...all while speaking Spanish while Catholic....and as if they had anything to do with Amerindians. Now If someone had say a Pueblo Indian or Cherokee card, assuming one likes these games, well I guess at least its a winning hand of victim status....
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Old 11-02-2016, 05:11 PM
 
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I think up to 75% of Euro immigration up to the Revolutionary War were bondage in some form or other.

That lasted from the British Isles into even Australia into the 1st quarter of the 19th century.

Remember only ill-defined "free whites" were eligible for citizenship; and only those propertied were able to vote until the mid 19th century.

Its good to understand the ideals of the Founders but its also important to acknowledge the reality of human imperfection and flaws.
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Old 11-02-2016, 05:21 PM
 
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That said, how history is taught in high school would need to change. Fact memorization is pretty much worthless, and that's more or less how history is taught. A more beneficial way to teach it is to look at how events transpire and how this can explain future events, as well as looking at principles that guided these times. To my high school's credit, I got a pretty good understanding of WWII. The effects of WWI left Germany feeling weak and alienated, so when Hitler shows up with a hyper nationalist message, he's supported. What I didn't get until college was the principles. Germany was late to the unification game, so they had a whole extra century of longing for nationalism when compared to other great European powers. They had it, then lost it after WWI, then Hitler brought it back capitalizing on the ever present anti-Semitism in Germany (and if we're being honest, Europe as a whole; Jews weren't liked for the connections to merchants, who also weren't liked through much of European history) to give the people of Germany an enemy.

Just an example of how history could be taught. Rather than listing a sequence of events, look at individuals and where their views are coming from, why they have them, and why they did what they did. Basically, ask why instead of when.
This isn't a bad reply. The Nazi leadership were authoritarian political fanatics so there's really no way to justify the worst of their "eugenics" and immoral or criminal schemes. But the bolded part is the problem. There's no accuracy and fairness in talking about things like anti-Semitism without talking about anti-whitism, imposition, usury, ethnocentrism and supremacy, nepotism etc. This is the problem, if education tries to get into details it always takes sides and an anti-European position. Where would a white minority whether Jewish or not that was more successful than the majority be welcome in the world? Not even in the West itself if they become a minority.
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Old 11-02-2016, 05:28 PM
 
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I really don't want to blame anyone. I highly doubt you really do either. Its nothing but another form of collectivism among other things. However if Mexicans want to play this game, then I wonder what the hell they are thinking given they are a cross of Conquistador and Human sacrificing Mexica. Had one tell me they were proud of their native culture...all while speaking Spanish while Catholic....and as if they had anything to do with Amerindians. Now If someone had say a Pueblo Indian or Cherokee card, assuming one likes these games, well I guess at least its a winning hand of victim status....
Yes exactly democrats and their coalition of color started it. Also they are illegally colonizing the US today. At least when they colonized latin America it was recognized as a legal right by the world. Every day when I go out and about in my formerly white neighborhood 1500 miles from the southern border, I have to listen to latin Americans gibbering loudly in Spanish, traveling in 'gangs' and trying to purposely encroach in my personal space etc...Just no damm respect for Americans.
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Old 11-02-2016, 07:20 PM
 
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There is only so much you can teach in a day. History is only one subject. Each subject is what, maybe an hour maybe 45 minutes. The entire history of the world just isn't possible to teach. But my son majored in history so he knows things I was never taught.
You're right, it's impossible to teach everything and yet somehow the liberal controlled school system still manages to be consistently biased in what they teach.

From the article:
What’s more, he began to observe a shift in his students’ quiz responses in the early 2000s. Before that time, Pesta described his students as “often historically ignorant, but not politicized.” Since the early 2000s, Pesta has found that “many students come to college preprogrammed in certain ways.”

“They cannot tell you many historical facts or relate anything meaningful about historical biographies, but they are, however, stridently vocal about the corrupt nature of the Republic, about the wickedness of the founding fathers, and about the evils of free markets,” Pesta said. “Most alarmingly, they know nothing about the fraught history of Marxist ideology and communist governments over the last century, but often reductively define socialism as ‘fairness.’”


And yet liberals will still insist that there isn't any bias in schools, they aren't pushing an agenda and only teach facts.
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Old 11-02-2016, 10:15 PM
 
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Hey, I agree with you I'm one of those nerds that will watch History Channel, read etc.

While it's not difficult to have basic knowledge of things, most of these kids are instead watching shows about the Kardashians, sports etc.

The ONLY exposure they're going to have to stuff like that is through school when they're forced to or MAYBE if someone makes a cool movie about something historical.
My daughter did learn about slavery all over the world, and the different ways it was practiced. She took an AP course though. I'm not sure what they learn in the regular classes, but I'm pretty sure they would mention slavery in the colonies and elsewhere. We have to take world history in Texas. Someone earlier said some areas only are required to take US history, but that isn't the case here. They have to take geography, US history and world history, and take a government/economics class.
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Old 11-03-2016, 12:21 AM
 
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I never leave it up to the teachers (except for math, not my best subject ). All I was saying is many people either aren't learning or aren't paying attention. These are the kids who know more about the Kardashians than they do about who the Vice President is. Kids are way less informed in this Information Age than they were when the baby boomers were their age. Of course, they had a really good reason to be interested in politics since many were dying in Vietnam.

I'm generalizing, not saying anything about your son or my daughter, who both seem to be interested in the topic. My daughter is thinking of majoring in history now after that class. Before she wanted to work in the healthcare field.


Actually, the health care field is the way to go now. But let your daughter major in history if she wants to. You won't believe the knowledge my son has on the history of the world. It's pretty amazing because most of us have no idea.
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Old 11-03-2016, 02:06 AM
 
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This is the most amazing claim in the article:

Has it really gotten to the point that Jefferson is known more as a slave owner than as a president and founding father?

should move these posts to that thread about teachers "indoctrinating" students..........most of the posters there say it isn't so.........
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