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Old 11-03-2016, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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OKay I found some context. 58K base pay. Lets call that $28 an hour. Working a bit of backwards math. ?Sat and Sun doubletime?

The guy is 100 hours plus

Oooh found better.

1420.73 regular hours
24 hours of protected sick leave
192 of vacation hours
48 hours of holiday hours
3.27 of administrative leave

For overtime he did:
63 hours of "holiday work"
1821.53 hours of time and a half (1.5 for regular day off 1).
601 hours of double time (2 for regular day off 2)

He signs up for every possible overtime apparently according to better articles.
Thank you for doing the leg work.

If this was a compariable private sector job, it's likely it would not be covered by a Collective Bargaining Agreement, he would make $13/ hr, part time, 20 hours/ week, no OT, no holiday pay and certainly no benefits and pension.

While I certainly don't begrudge the guy, the situation demonstrates the extreme difference between the private and public sector in the Bay Area.
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Old 11-03-2016, 06:05 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Greedy capitalist. Needs to pay his fair share.

(sarcasm)
he does.

In rent in SF. 2800 to 3300 for a studio... YIKES.
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Old 11-03-2016, 06:11 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by ottomobeale View Post
OKay I found some context. 58K base pay. Lets call that $28 an hour. Working a bit of backwards math. ?Sat and Sun doubletime?

The guy is 100 hours plus

Oooh found better.

1420.73 regular hours
24 hours of protected sick leave
192 of vacation hours
48 hours of holiday hours
3.27 of administrative leave

For overtime he did:
63 hours of "holiday work"
1821.53 hours of time and a half (1.5 for regular day off 1).
601 hours of double time (2 for regular day off 2)

He signs up for every possible overtime apparently according to better articles.
That overtime & holiday averages out to just over 6 hours a day each day of the year. So on regular shift days that's 14 hour work days. You would think that at some point management would add another person to avoid the OT.
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Old 11-03-2016, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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That overtime & holiday averages out to just over 6 hours a day each day of the year. So on regular shift days that's 14 hour work days. You would think that at some point management would add another person to avoid the OT.
I wonder at what point his Collective Bargaining Agreement kicks into double time. He's likely working 6-7 days a week.

The private sector would avoid this and hire more workers.

I wonder if there is an arbitrary hiring freeze to control costs while ignoring the financial consequences of OT.
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Old 11-03-2016, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Texas
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$270K per year?

It's good to see that hard work can still pay off in the USA.
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Old 11-03-2016, 09:24 AM
 
Location: USA
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Thank you for doing the leg work.

If this was a compariable private sector job, it's likely it would not be covered by a Collective Bargaining Agreement, he would make $13/ hr, part time, 20 hours/ week, no OT, no holiday pay and certainly no benefits and pension.

While I certainly don't begrudge the guy, the situation demonstrates the extreme difference between the private and public sector in the Bay Area.
If it were a private sector job, the position would pay what the market can bare. Public sector jobs pay so much because it's taxpayer money and they don't have to worry about making a profit, shareholders, etc.
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Old 11-03-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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That's gross.

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If you insist.
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Old 11-03-2016, 09:43 AM
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In the private sector that guy would be given the title of “working supervisor." There would be comp time instead of overtime. He would be supervising two low wage part time immigrants. All the work they didn't get done he would have to do without any extra pay.

He would never get a chance to take his comp time so he would slough off a lot work and his charges would be unsupervised most of the time. There would be lots of turnover. The work would be "complaint driven" supervision. Meaning nothing got done unless it was so dirty someone complained about it. I think in the final analysis the cost difference would be negligible.


BBC News - Cleaners 'worth more to society' than bankers - study
The research, carried out by think tank the New Economics Foundation, says hospital cleaners create £10 of value for every £1 they are paid.

I think this is across the board for Janitors in all areas not just hospitals.
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Old 11-03-2016, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The report doesn't say how much OT that guy put in, so there is no frame of reference here.

Maybe the guy worked 100 hours a week to get that big OT pay, maybe he only worked 60 hours. Without that information, there is no context.

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$235,000/4= $58,750 base pay, $176,250 OT

~4160 OT/yr hours, ~80 hours OT/wk

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Old 11-03-2016, 10:44 AM
 
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he does.

In rent in SF. 2800 to 3300 for a studio... YIKES.
If anything, he most likely is living , as is the Asian American tradition in the Bay Areaof shared family with rent split up among the members. Maybe even a rent controlled place as it happens.

As for the $270k, I lived and breath numbers, though this figure is difficult to comprehend, it is still possible.

Lets assume a $50k janitorial salary covering a standard 40hour work week.

He manages to get overtime per consisting of double shifts on each weekday. Time and half brings him to $75k per year.

Works weekends at double time , another $50k for the year.

Holidays could be triple time , 12 for example, double shift on each of these days, another $18k

All the public sector employee add ons, must be around another $70k.


So for this guy, his average week is a 16 hour day, no weekends, no holidays, maybe no vacation time taken ever.

If a family man, then god bless him. No matter what way you look at it, the job will take a toll on him eventually. Only he can ever know if it is worth it all .
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