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Old 11-06-2016, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Houston
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We could probably do that only with Canada and Mexico if they were never granted citizenship and have more 'libertarianism". But to the whole world? Hell no. I don't know what the advantage is to having even a semi-open border to Mexico is. To me it is quite harmful.

The problem is liberals use identity group as a weapon. And I'm not for population growth, cheap scab labor off the books and not being selective to what and who crosses the border even if they were not granted birthright citizenship or amnesty.
Yes, we cant do it as long as we screw with other nations and have a welfare state.
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Old 11-06-2016, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I don't think predicating theft as a moral or logical choice is a good idea.
It is being done right now. What are you going to do to reduce it...besides talk?
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Old 11-06-2016, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It is being done right now. What are you going to do to reduce it...besides talk?
I'm not going to steal.
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Old 11-06-2016, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I'm not going to steal.
Yes, you will. You will claim deductions on your 1040
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Old 11-06-2016, 07:50 PM
 
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Philosophy is what allowed the U.S. to exist in the first place. Everything begins with ideas. Politics (or potentially anti-politics) follows from the ideas people hold in their heads.

Even the smallest details shape the way people think. If you begin with a fundamentally flawed idea, everything after that will be screwed up. If you accept that it can be okay to violate individual rights if it serves the "common good", you'll reach very different conclusions and solutions than if you believe it's never okay to violate people's inherent human rights.
Thats not libertarianism, that's anarchism/Randism. Any government that is not anarchist or Randian necessarily entails the loss of SOME individual rights for the common good, wouldn't you agree?
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Old 11-06-2016, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Yes, you will. You will claim deductions on your 1040
How can I steal my own money?

Or is this a hypothetical Twilight Zone episode you're referencing?
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Old 11-06-2016, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Houston
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How can I steal my own money?

Or is this a hypothetical Twilight Zone episode you're referencing?
So, if someone else compromises so you keep more of your money that is a problem?

If a thief steals 20 bucks instead of 10 bucks are you better or worse off?

Let me make this simple. 20 is greater than 10.
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Old 11-06-2016, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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So, if someone else compromises so you keep more of your money that is a problem?

If a thief steals 20 bucks instead of 10 bucks are you better or worse off?

Let me make this simple. 20 is greater than 10.
I'm worse off when someone steals from me and I have no recourse.

Those are the conditions you and I are currently living under.
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Old 11-06-2016, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Houston
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I'm worse off when someone steals from me and I have no recourse.

Those are the conditions you and I are currently living under.
We agree on that. Now, are we better of if less is stolen from us?
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Old 11-06-2016, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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We agree on that. Now, are we better of if less is stolen from us?
We are better off if we have recourse in case of theft from an aggressor.
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