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For Example: Just cause I want the social security to work differently, it doesn't make a flying frog's bit of difference. We can write about social security all day. The system we have is the system we have.
Same for UHI. We ALREADY HAVE IT. If we get more of it, it will look exactly like WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
This is fallacious Right Wing speak.
You don't seem to believe that UHI when applied to PREVENTIVE CARE on younger Americans would have NO BENEFITS down the line? GUESS AGAIN, RUSH (and pass the OxyContin)!
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For Example: Just cause I want the social security to work differently, it doesn't make a flying frog's bit of difference. We can write about social security all day. The system we have is the system we have.
Same for UHI. We ALREADY HAVE IT. If we get more of it, it will look exactly like WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
Um.. NOW you lost me.. we don't have UHI.. NOT when there are 40 plus million people uninsured and underinsured in this country. THAT is NOT a definition of UHI.. For one..
A TRUE UHI is one where EVERYONE has the same great coverage for everythign. There IS NO such thing as teh "uninsured " or "underinsured". Right now, the only people guaranteed insurance are those on medicaid.. which they do not even CONTRIBUTE to the system to get (whereas UHI would be contributed by income tax).
So..UHI ..as it exists in UK or France .. DOES NOT exist as long as insurance is out of financial reach for millions of Americans and that number grows everyday.
To some degree this is already making the point. You note that in the US, 31% of costs is spent on administration while in Canada it's only 17% despite that system being a "mess." Why do you think the cost/waste in Canada is so much lower?
Thank you.. he's also HAS NOT read all the items I've pointed to on this and other threads on the boards..
For one .. cost is reduced administratively, as you stated. It is also reduced when as a group prices can be negotiated.. buying in "bulk" (which is why Canada purchase the same name brand drugs at 50% of the cost). There is also the issue of how there is no "uninsured" or "underinsured" that end up doing medicine via bankruptcy. .. in otherwords get treatment, can't pay , end up bankrupt and the hospital, Dr's etc.. get NO payment..which then passes the cost on to the rest of us with higher prices to make up the difference. Add in the Cost of HEALTH INSURANCE that covers NON MEDICAL stuff like Lobbying to Congress AND the high paid CEO's and the shareholders slice of the pie.. boom.. savings right there! Money put INTO the system with taxes will ACTUALLY GO to healthcare rather than the other nonsense that benefits NO ONE but the profit making greedy insurance machine.
Um.. NOW you lost me.. we don't have UHI.. NOT when there are 40 plus million people uninsured and underinsured in this country. THAT is NOT a definition of UHI.. For one..
I believe the other poster was referencing Medicare as an example, a model if you will, of what UHI would look like TM
TM, please. If you were to read the posters comment, clearly, you would note his reference to seniors - that Medicare is a "model' as to what UHI would look like.
TM, please. If you were to read the posters comment, clearly, you would note his reference to seniors - that Medicare is a "model' as to what UHI would look like.
Please, calm down.
GreatDay.. it will look like Medicare but with ONE BIG DIFFERENCE.. most using it will also be contributing to it.. whereas now those using it contribute nothng because they are poor. Yes.. there will still be poor, but the system willl have more money.
It's also good to note that Medicaid has managed to negotiate itself the best prices for thigns like medicines and Dr's. With a larger "use" base that power would be greater.. etc.
Administrative costs are less with medicaid.. and if we stop using medicaid through private cariers I think we can go even further to reduce that.
You don't seem to believe that UHI when applied to PREVENTIVE CARE on younger Americans would have NO BENEFITS down the line? GUESS AGAIN, RUSH (and pass the OxyContin)!
I am sorry. You must have misunderstood something. I PROMOTE (professionally) preventive healthcare. I make (part of) my living promoting preventive healthcare!!!!
I never said ONE WORD about preventive healthcare, pro or con.
I will continue to write this until someone listens to what I am saying here. We HAVE UHI - both Medicare and Medicaid ARE UHI!!!
I think you have gotten my post mixed up w/ someone else's.
Fallacious "Right wing speak?" And your comment about drugs?
I am speechless. You are picking on the wrong person here, Sir.
I am sorry. You must have misunderstood something. I PROMOTE (professionally) preventive healthcare. I make (part of) my living promoting preventive healthcare!!!!
I never said ONE WORD about preventive healthcare, pro or con.
I will continue to write this until someone listens to what I am saying here. We HAVE UHI - both Medicare and Medicaid ARE UHI!!!
I think you have gotten my post mixed up w/ someone else's.
Fallacious "Right wing speak?" And your comment about drugs?
I am speechless. You are picking on the wrong person here, Sir.
I believe the other poster was referencing Medicare as an example, a model if you will, of what UHI would look like TM
Thank you. I have stated several times on this thread, and can point the posts out if everyone can't read for themselves, that Medicare is UHI for over age 65 population and Medicaid is UHI for indigent and children (CHIPS).
My point is - this model is in place and is in the RED.
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