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Old 11-10-2016, 08:02 AM
 
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Well, the answer has been "no." But in my view Ryan does not have to be voted out of Congress, just moved out of his position. Without term limits member of Congress will stay there forever, and the longer they are there the more crooked and powerful they become.
We in AZ just happily voted again for McCain. He's been there so long, most voters aren't old enough to know or remember when he was crooked! (lol)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
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Old 11-10-2016, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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We in AZ just happily voted again for McCain. He's been there so long, most voters aren't old enough to know or remember when he was crooked! (lol)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five
Speak for yourself, I voted for Kirkpatrick, and am dismayed that 80 year old McCain is going to serve another 6 year term, there is a 50/50 shot he dies in office before his term is out
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Old 11-10-2016, 08:44 AM
 
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See you liberals are a lost cause. You just throw out baseless insults and there's no bridge building with them whatsoever.
You seem very sensitive and throw in the towel so easily. I said nothing of the sort. Sessions is not a friend towards labor. If you knew, I mean really knew, Sessions is your typical Republican who is anti-labor. But he speaks towards your sensibilities as a working class white male and seems like he's on your side. He isn't. My senator Pat Toomey is the same, Mr. I want TPP passed.
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Old 11-10-2016, 08:55 AM
 
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You really ought to let them be. They don't care. They truly believe Trump is going to deport, incarcerate and stomp on every non-white inhabitant so that he can take care of the white folks.

Pence never has done anything but abortion. He's an expendable flunkie to keep the religious whack-a-doodles distracted. McConnell and Ryan are on Trumps's "enemies list"-they're on borrowed time.

Trump doesn't even know how he's going to deliver everything he promised because his plans were incoherent.

There will be a honeymoon for a while, and when the "good" jobs don't materialize he'll blame Obama and the media. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Worry about yourself and yours in case he defaults. Protect your money
My sentiments exactly!
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Old 11-10-2016, 09:00 AM
 
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It's not a matter of if, but when. You have Trump who is what Democrats sort of used to be economically speaking, but he is surrounded LITERALLY by the same people who have been around for AGES. Pence, Ryan, McConnell, the 3 people closest to Trump, power wise, are the definition of establishment GOP. Let's see who is Cabinet appointments are. If they turn out to be corporate goons like past Republicans, then I'm gonna say it now, I told you so. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Considering who he is surrounded by at this time, who holds the legislative cards, it's gonna take a miracle for Trump to do everything he wants. Then you guys will know what consistent disappointment is like us Bernie supporters do, us real Democrats who care about economic issues and not the culture wars like the Berkeley and Ivory Tower Democrats
Considering how blatantly wrong you have been over the past 18 months, I'll pass on worrying about your latest prediction.
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Old 11-10-2016, 09:05 AM
 
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They haven't figured this out yet . They are convinced they have elected the next Reagan .
...and Reagan helped sell their jobs out so that Wall St could profit..but he waved a flag in their face and invaded Grenada, so it was okay. Their problems were really about "welfare queens" in inner cities and liberal wimps, not Wall St making obscene profits moving their jobs out.

Thirty years later, and things are worse in the rust belt, not better.
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Old 11-10-2016, 09:09 AM
 
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You have some Trumpies trolling my topic about Hillary winning, when the joke's gonna be on them in the end when the GOP sticks the middle finger up at Trump and his supporters. The establishment won. Again. Like they have been since FDR died. Trump is just a front, a baby's pacifier. How the hell does anybody think anything will get better if the SAME people from before Trump are back? Reality will set in sooner or later.

Like Danny Glover's character in Shooter says, "You lose, again. Get used to the idea, son"
Trump, like many in the upper reaches of business doesn't understand the aggregate political game. A long time CEO and a person known for seldom utilizing a team approach to his business decisions isn't capable of processing the truth of a huge machine that exists only for it's own interests and those of it's supporters. I'm thinking he will be looked at by both parties as an outlier and as a bit of a naive buffoon to boot. He will have to surround himself with the typical political insulation of old line party "pros" and the party will move forward acting on their agenda, he is incidental to the plan, like most of the official "faces" of American politics.

This election really gets to the heart of the biggest problem we face as American citizens, and that is the glaring lack of understanding our own political system. Voting in a president is most likely the full extent of most voters participation in politics, local or national, that one single act becomes the mainstay of their call to action. In between the elections the elected are busy working on getting re-elected, and the same bunch of corporate cowboys are passing out the money bags in the halls of congress. When it comes to dirty deals Trump should feel at home, but he's not used to being on the wrong end of those deals and that will be his real comeuppance.
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Old 11-10-2016, 09:10 AM
 
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You have some Trumpies trolling my topic about Hillary winning, when the joke's gonna be on them in the end when the GOP sticks the middle finger up at Trump and his supporters. The establishment won. Again. Like they have been since FDR died. Trump is just a front, a baby's pacifier. How the hell does anybody think anything will get better if the SAME people from before Trump are back? Reality will set in sooner or later.

Like Danny Glover's character in Shooter says, "You lose, again. Get used to the idea, son"
Relying on any president/ government to determine your personal outcome is not likely to have a good long term outcome.

No shortage of people who blame their lot in life on the president, party and government.

Instead of building wealth, they spend their disposable income on fancy coffees, lottery tickets, drugs, alcohol, gaming and buying crap they don't need on credit to feel better about themselves in the moment.


On the flip side, gawd only knows what would happen to the economy if a super majority turned to saving instead of spending on foolish stuff.
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Old 11-10-2016, 09:27 AM
 
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Trump, like many in the upper reaches of business doesn't understand the aggregate political game. A long time CEO and a person known for seldom utilizing a team approach to his business decisions isn't capable of processing the truth of a huge machine that exists only for it's own interests and those of it's supporters. I'm thinking he will be looked at by both parties as an outlier and as a bit of a naive buffoon to boot. He will have to surround himself with the typical political insulation of old line party "pros" and the party will move forward acting on their agenda, he is incidental to the plan, like most of the official "faces" of American politics.

This election really gets to the heart of the biggest problem we face as American citizens, and that is the glaring lack of understanding our own political system. Voting in a president is most likely the full extent of most voters participation in politics, local or national, that one single act becomes the mainstay of their call to action. In between the elections the elected are busy working on getting re-elected, and the same bunch of corporate cowboys are passing out the money bags in the halls of congress. When it comes to dirty deals Trump should feel at home, but he's not used to being on the wrong end of those deals and that will be his real comeuppance.
For your amusement:

My Bloomberg column on Trumponomics - Marginal REVOLUTION
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Old 11-10-2016, 09:30 AM
 
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Relying on any president/ government to determine your personal outcome is not likely to have a good long term outcome.

No shortage of people who blame their lot in life on the president, party and government.

Instead of building wealth, they spend their disposable income on fancy coffees, lottery tickets, drugs, alcohol, gaming and buying crap they don't need on credit to feel better about themselves in the moment.


On the flip side, gawd only knows what would happen to the economy if a super majority turned to saving instead of spending on foolish stuff.
I'm no gawd, but I'd say our economy would head south. Retirement would be easier for more people. And then the economy would pick back up as all those 'rich' retirees spend it back.
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