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Originally Posted by wanderlust76 View Post
Exactly. Those people should all have to pay more. Including women that have children out of wedlock. If you have a child out of wedlock your premium should shoot up immediately.
Why should someone that has a child while not married be penalized?
I thought libertarians didn't want government to insert itself in marriage.
The real elephant in the room is why US consumers pay so much more for medicine than everyone else around the world. R&D needs to be funded, sure, but...
1) Does R&D really need to cost so much? Or is bureaucratic red tape making it unnecessarily expensive?
2) Why is so much of the R&D funding burden placed only on Americans? Everyone should be charged mostly the same, barring logistical considerations, no? If anything, it should be cheaper here since the drugs are so often developed locally.
R & D costs so much because of FDA regulations and because, even after decades of trials and trillions of dollars, lawyers can still sue a manufacturer for unforeseen side-effects years later. Lawyers are a huge problem with the healthcare industry, but they're also huge Democrat donors, so they will never be touched.
Also, Americans always do the R & D because all the socialized European countries are too broke to do it.
Right. Instead, if you just made it direct fee for service -- like every other industry in the world -- you'd be able to avoid having to judge people. And isn't that we want?
Why would it have to be assisted? Just commit suicide. Instead, you want a doctor to do it for you.
What about legalizing the sale of self-euthanasia kits then? Suicide with most methods often come with a high chance of not working, but just turning one into a vegetable.
Actually, far more believe that if a woman is going to choose to have an abortion, she should pay for it herself. Or the father pays. Whatever. Again, this is yet another situation in which you want someone else to pay for the result of another's personal choice.
Hey... guess what? I want a vacation in Fiji. YOU pay for it.
Newsflash, women do pay for abortion themselves.
Pro-lifers are trying to take away that choice by making it unattainable through regulations designed to block access.
But, I get what you are saying, if a woman has a high risk pregnancy and can't afford the care she needs to sustain that pregnancy, the fetus should die. After all, she and the father are the ones who made the choice to create that pregnancy. NOT MY PROBLEM. Right?
Exactly. Those people should all have to pay more. Including women that have children out of wedlock. If you have a child out of wedlock your premium should shoot up immediately.
Children born out of wedlock have more medical expenses?
What about poor choices like taking unnecessary risks with your health, like riding a motorcycle, driving on bald tires, skydiving, skiing, playing contact sports, horseback riding, etc.?
What about legalizing the sale of self-euthanasia kits then? Suicide with most methods often come with a high chance of not working, but just turning one into a vegetable.
Actually, all you have to do is enter hospice or palliative care and refuse further medical treatment. If you have an actual terminal illness, nature will take its course. If you don't (which is the case which most people who want euthanasia), that's your own business and you take care of it. If you mess up, just let them know you don't want further care (beforehand, obviously) and you'll pass pretty quickly.
Like I said, it's all easy. People want to make it hard.
The real elephant in the room is why US consumers pay so much more for medicine than everyone else around the world. R&D needs to be funded, sure, but...
1) Does R&D really need to cost so much? Or is bureaucratic red tape making it unnecessarily expensive?
2) Why is so much of the R&D funding burden placed only on Americans? Everyone should be charged mostly the same, barring logistical considerations, no? If anything, it should be cheaper here since the drugs are so often developed locally.
This line of argument is based on presumptions and sound bites floated by big pharma.
We'd need more transparency of the actual accounting to determine if it has merit.
How do you know for example, that the proceeds of price gouging doesn't go to stock owners instead of R&D?
Having a child out of wedlock (for both men and women) generally locks the person into poverty permanently. So they're not paying for any premium regardless. But you could deny them medical care unless they pay for it up front.
That's their problem. They shouldn't be paying less for their premium then someone that is healthy and makes smart decisions.
How many of these people have an 800 dollar IPhone?
Pure, unadulterated BS. If they can afford that...they can afford to do their civic duty and pay higher healthcare premiums.
To those who oppose the ACA how would you deal with people with pre-existing conditions with your health plan?
The conservative plan is not get sick and if you do get sick to either pay incredibly high insurance if you can afford it or suffer in silence for being poor.
That's their plan in the nut shell.
The rest is just a sick joke talking point.
Cause any serious plan is either going to be the affordable care act or single payer.
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