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Old 12-19-2016, 12:51 PM
 
Location: London
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Originally Posted by njquestions View Post
There's always a pillow.
I think you're just being facetious at this point. All I'm saying is, why is euthanasia allowed for pets, but not humans?

 
Old 12-19-2016, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by refineryworker73 View Post
Lol, everyone gets handouts. Why lie to yourself? The federal budget is 4trillion. You really think that mostly going to poor people lol.

conservatives are mostly delusional and upset about certain groups of Americans getting certain programs. It's ugly stuff.

Here are some government handouts/programs that are subsidized by the government.

401k
Employer health insurance
Mortgages
Small business owners
Those who give to charity
Those who buy municipal bonds.
Those who have children.

Yeah all of us.
You forgot a big one.

FEMA has been subsidizing private homeowners' flood insurance for decades using government funds, so it wouldn't cost homeowners what they should be paying. Many (most) of those who have benefitted from subsidized flood insurance are wealthy people who live near the coast or another body of water prone to flooding.

Trump mostly like benefits from this taxpayer-subsidized program with property and flood insurance on his mansion on the water. When the subsidies were lifted in 2013--Congress passed a law to keep flood insurance rates down. It was fought by those anti-big government people such as Governor Rick Scott of Florida because he was up for re-election (and of course has a lot of wealthy coastal dwelling buddies). And why is nobody screaming about those ’leeches’ not paying their fair share?

FEMA Flood Insurance Program Primarily Benefits The Wealthy: Study | The Huffington Post

You Are Subsidizing a Fancy Beach House That Will Be Destroyed in a Flood - The Atlantic
 
Old 12-19-2016, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by njquestions View Post
There's always a pillow.

Someday you may suffer a painful, extended illness on your way to death.


Wish I could be there to offer you a pillow.
 
Old 12-19-2016, 12:54 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Enigma777 View Post
You forgot a big one.

FEMA has been subsidizing private homeowners' flood insurance for decades using government funds, so it wouldn't cost homeowners what they should be paying. Many (most) of those who have benefitted from subsidized flood insurance are wealthy people who live near the coast or another body of water prone to flooding.

Trump mostly like benefits from this taxpayer-subsidized program with property and flood insurance on his mansion on the water. When the subsidies were lifted in 2013--Congress passed a law to keep flood insurance rates down. It was fought by those anti-big government people such as Governor Rick Scott of Florida because he was up for re-election (and of course has a lot of wealthy coastal dwelling buddies). And why is nobody screaming about those ’leeches’ not paying their fair share?

FEMA Flood Insurance Program Primarily Benefits The Wealthy: Study | The Huffington Post

You Are Subsidizing a Fancy Beach House That Will Be Destroyed in a Flood - The Atlantic
I thought a lot of this happened because the insurance companies tried to screw everyone after hurricane Katrina?

As usual the insurance companies are a big part of the problem no matter what category you want to look at.
 
Old 12-19-2016, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Contraception isn't the same for men though all women have to do is pop a pill unless she is one of the woman that is negatively effected by birth control.

If the woman is on Medicare or Obamacare birth control is readily available. She can't say she decided to have a baby at poverty level due to birth control not being affordable.

It's a choice no matter how you want to look at it. It's not much different than riding an ATV without a helmet ()

And all a man has to do is "pop on" a condom.....that's a choice too.
 
Old 12-19-2016, 12:58 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Annie53 View Post
How old are you, 12?


Have you never been around someone who is dying?


A LOT of suffering goes on before you get to hospice and even after you get there.


What makes you think hospice can alleviate suffering?
Properly administrated it can do wonders for most people. Not all, but most. Based on my long term experience as a primary care doc, and also personally with family and friends. Plus it commonly takes a huge physical and psychological burden off of the families and friends.
 
Old 12-19-2016, 01:00 PM
 
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I think you're just being facetious at this point. All I'm saying is, why is euthanasia allowed for pets, but not humans?
Legal and ethical gray zone for starters. We don't want families or kids to off their parents for secondary gain.

Next is 'First do no harm', many docs prime dictate.
 
Old 12-19-2016, 01:05 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Annie53 View Post
What about poor choices like taking unnecessary risks with your health, like riding a motorcycle, driving on bald tires, skydiving, skiing, playing contact sports, horseback riding, etc.?

Why should I have to pay more for my insurance because your poor choices made you a quadriplegic?
Where do you draw the line on poor choices?

Oh, I know, we draw the line at poor choices YOU don't make.
This is a great point Annie53
When you go down the rabbit hole of not paying for the "poor choices of others"; the opt-outs are innumerable and make the entire concept of Insurance unsustainable.
 
Old 12-19-2016, 01:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Enigma777 View Post
You forgot a big one.

FEMA has been subsidizing private homeowners' flood insurance for decades using government funds, so it wouldn't cost homeowners what they should be paying. Many (most) of those who have benefitted from subsidized flood insurance are wealthy people who live near the coast or another body of water prone to flooding.

Trump mostly like benefits from this taxpayer-subsidized program with property and flood insurance on his mansion on the water. When the subsidies were lifted in 2013--Congress passed a law to keep flood insurance rates down. It was fought by those anti-big government people such as Governor Rick Scott of Florida because he was up for re-election (and of course has a lot of wealthy coastal dwelling buddies). And why is nobody screaming about those ’leeches’ not paying their fair share?

FEMA Flood Insurance Program Primarily Benefits The Wealthy: Study | The Huffington Post

You Are Subsidizing a Fancy Beach House That Will Be Destroyed in a Flood - The Atlantic
The reality is everyone is on the government dole. Especially conservatives. The ignorance of this fact is not surprising. Human beings are rationalization machines.
 
Old 12-19-2016, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by Hoonose View Post
Legal and ethical gray zone for starters. We don't want families or kids to off their parents for secondary gain.

Next is 'First do no harm', many docs prime dictate.

That's why there should be an advanced directive done long before a person gets ill and they might not be of sound mind.


If you want euthanasia if terminal, sign a legal doucument that says you do, otherwise, no, your family cannot make that decision for you.


Problem solved.

Last edited by Annie53; 12-19-2016 at 02:06 PM..
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