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Old 11-12-2016, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I recall at one of the debates in 2008 between Obama and McCain they asked the question, is healthcare a right or a privilege? Obama answered a right, and McCain answered a privilege. Therein lies the difference between the two parties. The Republicans believe you deserve healthcare only if you can afford it. If you can't, tough ****. And that's exactly what we will see play out in the coming months.
That will just be the first of the draconian moves about to swing our way.

 
Old 11-12-2016, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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I hope they can get control of the actual cost of healthcare. Not just mandate insurance.
 
Old 11-12-2016, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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To those who oppose the ACA how would you deal with people with pre-existing conditions with your health plan?
Aren't insurance companies regulated by the States?

You do know what a "State" is, don't you?
 
Old 11-12-2016, 06:28 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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"Aw F.... we will just rename the thing, tweak it a bit and declare victory.... make it look like we had a replacement. How does Trumpcare sound? Always looked great on the side of casinos"

^ ^ ^

I think you nailed it.
 
Old 11-12-2016, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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well, I don't know exactly how. Asking me this is not fair, don't you think?

But I can tell you some positive points of his plan.

1. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products.

2. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate.

3. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system

the best part is this

Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
The bolded:
Not very helpful for those who aren;t CD members. I understand CD P&OC thread members are among the top5% wealthiest and most successful Americans and make high 6 to 8 figures. But for those 95% who aren't CD members, they aren't going to have $5k-10K extra after basic necessities.
As far as the state line thing-how is that helping? If people can;t afford $900 a month for a policy now, the across state line thing may reduce premiums a bit, down to say, $600-700. STILL to much for many Americans to afford.
I'm not attacking the messenger here lilyflower, the points you posted I've read other places too. I fail to see how this will help anyone not fortunate enough to be able to afford high premiums. I let my brother and his wife know that they are welcome here in Oz anytime. Even visitor health insurance is more affordable than what they will be hit with.
 
Old 11-12-2016, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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To those who oppose the ACA how would you deal with people with pre-existing conditions with your health plan?
Before Obamacare, all Obama and Congress had to do was to support those with pre-existing conditions. In other words, have the additional cost of insurance for these people taken care of. After all, the money for such comes from tax payers. Our government didn't have to take 1/6th of the US economy from the private sector.
 
Old 11-12-2016, 10:21 PM
 
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The bolded:
Not very helpful for those who aren;t CD members. I understand CD P&OC thread members are among the top5% wealthiest and most successful Americans and make high 6 to 8 figures. But for those 95% who aren't CD members, they aren't going to have $5k-10K extra after basic necessities.
As far as the state line thing-how is that helping? If people can;t afford $900 a month for a policy now, the across state line thing may reduce premiums a bit, down to say, $600-700. STILL to much for many Americans to afford.
I'm not attacking the messenger here lilyflower, the points you posted I've read other places too. I fail to see how this will help anyone not fortunate enough to be able to afford high premiums. I let my brother and his wife know that they are welcome here in Oz anytime. Even visitor health insurance is more affordable than what they will be hit with.
But, another process is to get rid of the requirements of what constitutes 'insurance'.

"Major Medical" policies are a thing of the past which 'eliminating' Obamacare can bring back. Many people bought and liked those policies. They don't cover your day-to-day medical needs.. Prescriptions, physicals, sick visits to the doctor.. But, they do cover you in the event of a Major Medical event.

And they are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than any Obamacare plan.
 
Old 11-12-2016, 10:24 PM
 
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To those who oppose the ACA how would you deal with people with pre-existing conditions with your health plan?

High risk pool insurance, just like drivers with tons of accidents.
 
Old 11-12-2016, 10:25 PM
 
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But, another process is to get rid of the requirements of what constitutes 'insurance'.

"Major Medical" policies are a thing of the past which 'eliminating' Obamacare can bring back. Many people bought and liked those policies. They don't cover your day-to-day medical needs.. Prescriptions, physicals, sick visits to the doctor.. But, they do cover you in the event of a Major Medical event.

And they are SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than any Obamacare plan.

amen
 
Old 11-12-2016, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The Congress has sent bills to obama's desk that kept pre-existing condition mandate and changed other things-of course he vetoed it. Now he get to watch as GOP/Trump GUT his signature legacy
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