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Old 11-12-2016, 09:01 PM
 
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. Religious discrimination is illegal here.
See there it is, the typical liberal spiel. Immigration law is allowed to discriminate on any basis it deems necessary. Potential immigrants are not US citizens and have no constitutional rights.
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:04 PM
 
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This is just another typical continental divide question, thinking that ALL liberals (or conservatives) think alike. I don't see 60 million people protesting on the streets and causing issues. Liberals do carry guns, are pro life, etc. This election has seen nothing but pointing fingers and extreme assumptions threads.

To answer your question - OF COURSE NOT.
No but it was Democrats that lobbied hardcore to bring in 60 million and counting more Democrat voters among other problems since 1965.
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:10 PM
 
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No but it was Democrats that lobbied hardcore to bring in 60 million and counting more Democrat voters among other problems since 1965.
And every liberal citizen stood behind this? If that's what people want to believe.
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:17 PM
 
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And every liberal citizen stood behind this? If that's what people want to believe.
If you supported Hillary you were supporting open borders and amnesty and group identity politics. That's the democrat platform in a nutshell. The Democrats could correct this and get enough republicans to go along.
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I've never known any liberals like that. I know only a few conservatives like that. All the liberals I listen to are saying everyone has a constitutional right to immigrate to the US or some such. Just read their posts on here.
Clearly you don't know all liberals.
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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...does not quite add up to a significant or representative sample of liberals.
That may be true. But there is no single liberal viewpoint on immigration.
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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If you supported Hillary you were supporting open borders and amnesty and group identity politics. That's the democrat platform in a nutshell. The Democrats could correct this and get enough republicans to go along.
So you fully supported every single plank in the Republican platform?
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Old 11-12-2016, 09:51 PM
 
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Clearly you don't know all liberals.
I don't know all conservatives either, but most want less immigration. Like Dark said you are not representative. You're the only liberal on here I've seen that seemed supportive of the previous national origins quotas or any restrictions really. They almost all say immigration is a constitutional right.
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Old 11-12-2016, 10:17 PM
 
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See there it is, the typical liberal spiel. Immigration law is allowed to discriminate on any basis it deems necessary. Potential immigrants are not US citizens and have no constitutional rights.
That's true.

Sadly, it seems that a nation that was founded by men who believed that religious discrimination was wrong has now sunk to the level of Germany in the Thirties by seriously banning an entire religion - out of fear.

You may think that's OK. I do not.

Muslims are not the enemy. Terrorists are
, regardless of religion.

Now, what about practical application?

There are three kinds of immigrants - travelers with a visa - visitors/vacationers/tourists, students, businesspeople, refugees, and illegal immigrants.

Some illegal immigrant sneak over a border or stow away, and we don't have any way of knowing who they are - this includes people who enter legally but overstay their visa, by the way. Are they Muslim? How would we know?

Perhaps you can explain how immigration officials would know whether or not a traveler arriving in the US with a valid visa is a Muslim, an atheist, or a Catholic? I don't recall seeing a religious test question on the I-94. Perhaps President-elect Trump will use an executive order to add one on his first day in office.

Should foreign passport holders who self-identify as Muslim be denied entry? How would we know if they are Muslims? What if they are visiting family members who are citizens? What if they are Muslim businesspeople who want to attend a conference or effect a business transaction? What if they are diplomats who happen to be Muslims?

Refugees - especially those from nations with significant Islamic terrorist activity- are already extensively vetted, although it's an imperfect process. What would you have President-elect Trump do about them? Refuse all Muslim refugees? Refuse all refugees from countries with significant Islamic terrorist activity? What if they enter from a "friendly" nation and conceal their origin?

Perhaps a total ban on all entry into the US by anyone with a certain complexion? But there are Muslims of all races.

What might nations with large Muslim populations do in response? Could the US find itself losing allies, access to intelligence, markets for our goods and services, necessary imports?

Are you beginning to comprehend the complexity of this issue?
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Old 11-12-2016, 10:18 PM
 
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I don't know all conservatives either, but most want less immigration.
Libertarians want open borders, don't they?
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