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Old 11-14-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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the problem is liberas screw up everything around them. they can be good and hardworking but their policy is all f....ked up.
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Old 11-14-2016, 07:35 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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What I hate about liberals, neo progs/ progressives, the far left:
They don't LISTEN and don't want to engage in discourse and debate. If you don't agree with them you're either ignorant and working against your own best interests, or you're racist, a hate monger, intolerant, homophobic, whatever.
They generally have no moral compass nor a sense of ethics. This is more true when talking about the progressive pundits and media and politicians. But its spills over and works its way down as they set a very poor example for their supporters.
They take the position that unless you give them what THEY want, you're trying to take something away from THEM. But if they want to take something from you and you resist it, you're also still trying to take something away from them.
They'll gloat about how intelligent and educated they are and how their opponents are the opposite, and yet they want to keep their base as ignorant and as dependent as possible so as to need their leadership and support in all aspects of their daily lives. No thinking for yourself on the far left. Just chant party mantra and close your ears and mind to any ideas not supported by the party ideology.
I can't stand anybody who just mindlessly repeats what they've been told and then take it as gospel. Science and the far left has become like a cult religion of the dark ages. The right does it too but not nearly as much.
Knocking others down has replaced trying to raise others up among progressives.
Liberals, neo progs, and progressives are factophobes. Therefore, no one interested in facts and the truth can take them seriously.

Yes, I'm coining the phrase "factophobe" to describe those who are afraid of facts because the facts completely demolish their idiotic ideology.
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Old 11-14-2016, 07:36 AM
 
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In short, the philosophy takes from the producers of society and gives to those that aren't.


If you take away the flaws of human nature, it would work.

The problem with the philosophy is that it's not built to succeed given human nature.


So any socialistic mindset, which has been tried time and time again over history, has not worked.

What we learn from History is that we learn nothing from it, and DEMOCRATS are leading the charge of ignorance in this category due to their continued clinging to this philosophy.
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Old 11-14-2016, 07:45 AM
 
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I see no response to my answer from the OP. I'd like to know why OP thinks killing people is OK.

//www.city-data.com/forum/46185931-post119.html
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Old 11-14-2016, 07:45 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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As an American, I'd say that's an accurate assessment of the American mentality.

"I refuse to pay taxes that might benefit those people."

The Federal Government was never suppose to govern the people directly. The Federal Government was to only govern the states.


I look at who wants to control me more. I look who wants to constantly micro-manage my life. I look at who wishes to destroy the cornerstone of Liberties. I look at who wants to make the choices for me. I look at who wants to take my choice away all together.


So far, the Ctrl-left Liberal/Progressive ideology is all about taking my liberty, for the collective socialism of MOB rule and violence.
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Old 11-14-2016, 07:50 AM
 
Location: USA
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In short, the philosophy takes from the producers of society and gives to those that aren't.

If you take away the flaws of human nature, it would work.

The problem with the philosophy is that it's not built to succeed given human nature.

So any socialistic mindset, which has been tried time and time again over history, has not worked.
The most successful societies in the world have "liberal" or "progressive" policies: Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Germany, France, the Low Countries, and the U.K., for example.

Soviet Communism was a failure, but Social Democracy is very much a success.

Social democracy - RationalWiki
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Old 11-14-2016, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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LOL! What a load. You "fully researched" in 3 days?

LMFAO! Just stop.
You just don't get it, "liberal", "conservative", is just a label. Whether you claim it or not doesn't matter.
I just happened to not slap a label on but recognized that it appears to me that what makes sense in my mind leans left.
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Old 11-14-2016, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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I'm going to stop there because you don't seem to understand the relationship between progressivism's societal benefits goals, and taxes. So I'll lay out the facts for you...

Countries that have more progressive social program benefits pay for them by utilizing REGRESSIVE tax systems. That means the greatest tax burden is placed on those with lower incomes in the form of both MUCH flatter income tax brackets PLUS a 20-25% VAT (national sales tax) that EVERYONE pays.

Read the linked article, and learn. Pay careful attention to the chart that tracks the fact that the higher a country's tax regressivity (placing the highest tax burden on lower incomes), the more social program benefits provided to its citizens: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ont-have-a-47/

For reference, that's a scatter plot graph which is used to show a relationship between two sets of data. In this case the sets are Tax Progressivity, and Income Redistribution in the form of social program government benefits and services (health care, social safety nets, etc.). Note that the highest levels of government benefits and services are provided by countries (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium) in which taxes are flat (everyone pays the same tax rate) or regressive (shown as the negative values, meaning a greater tax burden placed on those with lower incomes). And note where the USA falls on the graph. The USA has the most progressive tax system and therefore is least able to fund progressivisms' societal goals.

Scatter Plot:
https://www.mathsisfun.com/data/scatter-xy-plots.html
Your evidence was written by a blogger ranting about taxes rather than looking at the income tax rates of those countries you're talking about. Media does not give you any good evidence to make a unbiased conclusion.

For example:
Look at the taxation of Finland (in Euros):
16,700–25,000 6.5%
25,000–40,800 17.5%
40,800–72,300 21.5%
72,200+ 31.75%

Taxation of Sweden:
0% from 0 kr to 18,800 kr
31%: from 18,800 kr to 433,900 kr
31% + 20%: from 433,900 kr to 615,700 kr
31% + 25%: above 615,700 kr
31% is county and municipality level taxes (state/local taxes equivalent you can say to us)

Since everyone pays VAT, it works the same as the sales tax and doesn't prove regressive taxation as you claim. They all are progressively taxed, and their capital gains tax are flat across the board, not progressive like the US.

A thing to note is, their version of taxation is levied on residences vs citizenship. Meaning, whether you are a citizen or not, as long as you live in that country, taxes apply to you. We're not like that.
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Old 11-14-2016, 08:18 AM
 
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The most successful societies in the world have "liberal" or "progressive" policies: Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Germany, France, the Low Countries, and the U.K., for example.
They also have regressive tax systems, which means lower income earners bear the greatest tax burden. Read my previous post:

//www.city-data.com/forum/46187280-post159.html

Are you on board with that?
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Old 11-14-2016, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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The Federal Government was never suppose to govern the people directly. The Federal Government was to only govern the states.


I look at who wants to control me more. I look who wants to constantly micro-manage my life. I look at who wishes to destroy the cornerstone of Liberties. I look at who wants to make the choices for me. I look at who wants to take my choice away all together.


So far, the Ctrl-left Liberal/Progressive ideology is all about taking my liberty, for the collective socialism of MOB rule and violence.
Even though it was never supposed to govern people directly, the President takes all the blame for how the economy is doing. I have never seen people not blame the President on the economy. People expect the federal government to make things right, let alone the state government.

If you blame someone for how something works, they do something about it, which is why the federal government is now involved with the economy.
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