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So, how are you going to achieve all this "equality"?
What if I don't want to pay one person equally to another? What if I don't want to pay for peoples school, health care, etc?
Oh... that is right.. you will FORCE me under the threat of violence and possibly death will you not?
You are selling yet another version of Communism/Socialism/Marxism/Collectivism and you will have to subjugate the people to see it through, but that is ok right? End justifies the means? Its ok to kill the people who resist because well, everyone else will benefit right? Same old turd, different shiny wrapper.
So let me get this straight...you think that public education is communist? You think that taxation is a form of violent repression?
So let me get this straight...you think that public education is communist? You think that taxation is a form of violent repression?
I think collective tax schemes as such are communist and I think forcing people to pay for such is subjugation.
What if a person does not have kids? So you are going to steal from them to pay for something that has no return to them? Oh... for the "betterment of the collective"? Yeah... sorry... that is not American, that is communistic in nature.
So you now have deemed that I should pay for this stuff and without my permission you are going take my money? What if I say no? You going to threaten me with jail? what if I resist? Oh... you are going to elevate your use of force? And if I resist in defense? Ahh... you are going to kill me right? For what again? For the betterment of your collective?
Yeah... Communistic ideal, not American.
You see, American "collectivism" is unique, it is based on individual liberty and it is a result of each individual "choosing" to act, contribute, etc... of their own volition because they personally think it would be better for everyone.
The difference? They do it willingly while "communistic" principals must be applied through the use of force.
The problem with pure Capitalism is that the brightest will have wealth, and the poorest will be homeless and starving to death out on the street.
The problem with pure Socialism is that the masses are equally poor.
We strike a good balance with taxation and social programs, the real issue is that those in poverty are not given a way out of it, so they remain dependent on social programs. And spending by giving money to other countries while ignoring people with needs here, is criminal. Also criminal is the fact that we're all over taxed because of the bloat and waste of our government, AND the money we give away or spend on wars because we can't help but sticking our nose in everyone's business.
If we fixed those problems, people would be helped out of poverty and our taxes would actually be lower.
What politician is using violence to advance those things?
There are nut jobs of all political persuasions. Rioting from misguided nut jobs is not the same thing as a politician using military and/or police to violently force an agenda on a nation.
Surely you understand the difference, no?
Forcing people to pay taxes so that you can fund your "free college" is using violence or threat of violence to advance your agenda!
I think collective tax schemes as such are communist and I think forcing people to pay for such is subjugation.
What if a person does not have kids? So you are going to steal from them to pay for something that has no return to them? Oh... for the "betterment of the collective"? Yeah... sorry... that is not American, that is communistic in nature.
So you now have deemed that I should pay for this stuff and without my permission you are going take my money? What if I say no? You going to threaten me with jail? what if I resist? Oh... you are going to elevate your use of force? And if I resist in defense? Ahh... you are going to kill me right? For what again? For the betterment of your collective?
Yeah... Communistic ideal, not American.
You see, American "collectivism" is unique, it is based on individual liberty and it is a result of each individual "choosing" to act, contribute, etc... of their own volition because they personally think it would be better for everyone.
The difference? They do it willingly while "communistic" principals must be applied through the use of force.
/shrug
During the Cold War, when we were fighting the evil communists, we had a 90% top marginal tax rate.
I don't know of a single civilized country that has no taxes.
The problem with pure Capitalism is that the brightest will have wealth, and the poorest will be homeless and starving to death out on the street.
The problem with pure Socialism is that the masses are equally poor.
We strike a good balance with taxation and social programs, the real issue is that those in poverty are not given a way out of it, so they remain dependent on social programs. And spending by giving money to other countries while ignoring people with needs here, is criminal. Also criminal is the fact that we're all over taxed because of the bloat and waste of our government, AND the money we give away or spend on wars because we can't help but sticking our nose in everyone's business.
If we fixed those problems, people would be helped out of poverty and our taxes would actually be lower.
The poorest would need to maintain good relationships with friends, family, and community so people want to help them. Even if they were complete jerks, people don't like seeing others suffer...that's why over half the population votes for a welfare state (politicians play off of that desire to help, and then the state gets more funding). Cut out the inefficient/leeching middle man and people will take care of the poor much more efficiently.
Forcing people to pay taxes so that you can fund your "free college" is using violence or threat of violence to advance your agenda!
So I should revolt now because my taxes are funding the largest military the world has ever known and it actually creates unnecessary violence because we're so damn arrogant with it?
So, how are you going to achieve all this "equality"?
What if I don't want to pay one person equally to another? What if I don't want to pay for peoples school, health care, etc?
Oh... that is right.. you will FORCE me under the threat of violence and possibly death will you not?
You are selling yet another version of Communism/Socialism/Marxism/Collectivism and you will have to subjugate the people to see it through, but that is ok right? End justifies the means? Its ok to kill the people who resist because well, everyone else will benefit right? Same old turd, different shiny wrapper.
What if I don't want to pay for your SS and Medicare? Or how about our ridiculously large military? Is that a version of communism you speak of?
The problem with pure Capitalism is that the brightest will have wealth, and the poorest will be homeless and starving to death out on the street.
The problem with pure Socialism is that the masses are equally poor.
We strike a good balance with taxation and social programs, the real issue is that those in poverty are not given a way out of it, so they remain dependent on social programs. And spending by giving money to other countries while ignoring people with needs here, is criminal. Also criminal is the fact that we're all over taxed because of the bloat and waste of our government, AND the money we give away or spend on wars because we can't help but sticking our nose in everyone's business.
If we fixed those problems, people would be helped out of poverty and our taxes would actually be lower.
So what you are saying is you are ok with poor, just as long as the government is doing the choosing, not the individual? Again, communism.
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