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They're correct. Taxation is a demand for money backed by force, which is called theft when done by private citizens.
People essentially want others to pay for the things they want, but instead of convincing them to fund it voluntarily, they go to the government to take it from them and act like that isn't the same thing.
So I should revolt now because my taxes are funding the largest military the world has ever known and it actually creates unnecessary violence because we're so damn arrogant with it?
That's a huge reason I'm against taxation as well.
They're correct. Taxation is a demand for money backed by force, which is called theft when done by private citizens.
People essentially want others to pay for the things they want, but instead of convincing them to fund it voluntarily, they go to the government to take it from them and act like that isn't the same thing.
I swear you're too caught up with this fairness principle. Everyone has different needs, to say that you only want to pay for something only because you use it is called self-entitlement. Selfish people never get far.
They're correct. Taxation is a demand for money backed by force, which is called theft when done by private citizens.
People essentially want others to pay for the things they want, but instead of convincing them to fund it voluntarily, they go to the government to take it from them and act like that isn't the same thing.
So we should privatize everything, including police and courts?
No police protection or a day in court unless you can pay up?
What if I don't want to pay for your SS and Medicare? Or how about our ridiculously large military? Is that a version of communism you speak of?
SS and Medicare are Communistic programs put in by presidents that were found of such ideals. FDR and Wilson were HUGE communist and fascist fans as you can see with their programs.
You shouldn't have to pay for peoples SS and Medicare, we should pay back out to those who paid in and eventually phase all those types of programs out.
As for the Military, well... standing military has to go. It isn't legal for it to be indefinite as it is in the US. The Navy and Air force are within the bounds of federal powers and the rest is up to the states. Fact is, the Feds only are really supposed to exist to protect the states from invasion and handle disputes between them. Cut it back down to that, and what little taxes they need would be easily handled by our 300+ million people.
So far, you are talking about things that are not legally within the purview of the US Constitution's powers, I am talking about things within them.
Man, again I ask, which country has a model that you'd like us to mimic?
The purpose of this thread is not to mimic a single country because every single industrialized country other than us does the 4 proposals listed in some shape or form.
Read the ratification debates, read both the Anti-Federalist and Federalist papers. Read the numerous discussions by the founders through letters, journals, and written publications.
It is all there as to what we were after, what we were focused on.
From what we learned since then though, I would say the Anti-Federalist were more on key as to what would have worked better and some of the Federalists actually switched their positions to such after a time. It is all there.
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