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Old 11-14-2016, 01:32 AM
 
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Isolationist/protectionist/nationalist is one thing and imperialist/fascist/authoritarian is another. America is more imperialist nowadays than nationalist.



Well you were the one that first made mentioned who you believe is supporting Trump. The lefties are so transparent.
Typical of the Ctrl-Left.
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Old 11-14-2016, 01:34 AM
 
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Typical of the Ctrl-Left.
Yes it's the same thing over and again sometimes in a different transparent wrapper.
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Old 11-14-2016, 01:35 AM
 
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Typical of the Ctrl-Left.
Ctrl-Left? That's a new one. Not sure what it is you think is typical. I am more than happy to talk about all the things that was wrong about Hillary and why she lost. If anything, I am a pragmatic liberal....but then again, I have no idea what the definition of Ctrl-Left means, so I might be that too. Who knows.
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Old 11-14-2016, 01:37 AM
 
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Ctrl-Left? That's a new one. Not sure what it is you think is typical. I am more than happy to talk about all the things that was wrong about Hillary and why she lost. If anything, I am a pragmatic liberal....but then again, I have no idea what the definition of Ctrl-Left means, so I might be that too. Who knows.
I could be way off, but I suspect it's in reference to the term Alt-Right...computer geek/political joke.
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Old 11-14-2016, 01:40 AM
 
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I agree for the most part. I would add however, that the same draconian measures you would apply to minorities who would rise up against our government, should be applied to the white anti-government militia types who contemplate doing the same thing as well. It would only be fair. And as far as that white majority rule stuff, it may have worked in Hitler's 1930's mostly homogenous Germany, but it carries less weight and is less malevalent here in the Melting Pot.
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Old 11-14-2016, 02:44 AM
 
Location: Louisiana
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It has almost become universally acknowledged that the Nazis were evil, that they had no redeeming qualities at all, and that they should be condemned as the greatest of evils, at least in the modern age. But what if this is just propaganda, and in reality, the cause of the Nazis was the cause of all humanity? What if the Nazis were not just not evil, but were a revolutionary force for the ultimate liberation of man, an idea so powerful and universal that it cannot die, and is now being resurrected all over the world?

Let's all face it. The Trump campaign is nothing less than the resurrection of the National Socialist idea, but in a democratic and non-totalitarian form. It wouldn't be so viciously attacked by the media if it were just another form of garden-variety conservatism. It is not. It is something different. What are the principles of democratic national socialism? It is quite simple. The three words suffice to fully explain the ideology.

Nationalism - first, that the ultimate purpose of politics is to preserve the security and ensure the survival of a particular group of people who are united by a common race, culture, and identity. The principal idea is that race comes first. This is not to say that minorities should be persecuted or removed from the body politic, but it does mean that the interests of the majority race comes before everything else. Insofar as the minorities do not threaten the interests of the majority race, or threaten to displace it, they should be considered as fully equal citizens; however, if they do pose a threat, this threat must be neutralized. This seems to be what Trump is for, though he doesn't explicitly formulate it as that. Why do people vote for Trump? Because they know that the continued existence and happiness of the white majority is contingent on a certain set of policies being set in place, and is not guaranteed.

The second idea is socialism. What is meant by socialism is that the purpose of the economy should be the well-being and happiness of the citizenry. Yes, private property, free markets, and economic freedom are important. But they are important only insofar as they are means to an end, and they should not be considered as the end in itself, and if the interests of property conflict with the interests of the welfare of the people, the latter supersedes the former. Also, socialism recognizes that the interests of the working class are paramount in a society, and that other classes, including the professional class, the intellectual class, the investor class, "middle class," and so on must defer to the working class. This doesn't mean that the rights of all other classes should be ignored, it merely means that where the interests of the working class (which I define as those who are engaged in value-added production through the application of knowledge to material or immaterial objects) collide with the interests of other classes, the interests of the working class should be given preference.

Finally, is democracy - national socialism as an idea is best realized within the framework of the American political system, where there are multiple parties that compete with each other, instead of a single totalitarian one.

Nationalism specifies what the ultimate purpose of politics is - preservation of the race
Socialism specifies what the ultimate purpose of the economy is - the well-being and happiness of the citizenry
Democracy specifies how these ends are to be achieved - through a democratic and multi-party system like the one we have now.

Let us destroy the myth of the "evil Nazis" once and for all. The Nazis were not evil. They turned evil because they obtained absolute political power, and as well know, absolute power corrupts absolutely. It wasn't because the ideology itself was evil. The Alt-Right movement, which forms the ideological foundation of the Trump movement, is nothing less than the resurrection of National Socialism.

I know this will be controversial.

What a steaming pile of silliness.
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Old 11-14-2016, 02:48 AM
 
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It has almost become universally acknowledged that the Nazis were evil, that they had no redeeming qualities at all, and that they should be condemned as the greatest of evils, at least in the modern age. But what if this is just propaganda, and in reality, the cause of the Nazis was the cause of all humanity? What if the Nazis were not just not evil, but were a revolutionary force for the ultimate liberation of man, an idea so powerful and universal that it cannot die, and is now being resurrected all over the world?

Let's all face it. The Trump campaign is nothing less than the resurrection of the National Socialist idea, but in a democratic and non-totalitarian form. It wouldn't be so viciously attacked by the media if it were just another form of garden-variety conservatism. It is not. It is something different. What are the principles of democratic national socialism? It is quite simple. The three words suffice to fully explain the ideology.

Nationalism - first, that the ultimate purpose of politics is to preserve the security and ensure the survival of a particular group of people who are united by a common race, culture, and identity. The principal idea is that race comes first. This is not to say that minorities should be persecuted or removed from the body politic, but it does mean that the interests of the majority race comes before everything else. Insofar as the minorities do not threaten the interests of the majority race, or threaten to displace it, they should be considered as fully equal citizens; however, if they do pose a threat, this threat must be neutralized. This seems to be what Trump is for, though he doesn't explicitly formulate it as that. Why do people vote for Trump? Because they know that the continued existence and happiness of the white majority is contingent on a certain set of policies being set in place, and is not guaranteed.

The second idea is socialism. What is meant by socialism is that the purpose of the economy should be the well-being and happiness of the citizenry. Yes, private property, free markets, and economic freedom are important. But they are important only insofar as they are means to an end, and they should not be considered as the end in itself, and if the interests of property conflict with the interests of the welfare of the people, the latter supersedes the former. Also, socialism recognizes that the interests of the working class are paramount in a society, and that other classes, including the professional class, the intellectual class, the investor class, "middle class," and so on must defer to the working class. This doesn't mean that the rights of all other classes should be ignored, it merely means that where the interests of the working class (which I define as those who are engaged in value-added production through the application of knowledge to material or immaterial objects) collide with the interests of other classes, the interests of the working class should be given preference.

Finally, is democracy - national socialism as an idea is best realized within the framework of the American political system, where there are multiple parties that compete with each other, instead of a single totalitarian one.

Nationalism specifies what the ultimate purpose of politics is - preservation of the race
Socialism specifies what the ultimate purpose of the economy is - the well-being and happiness of the citizenry
Democracy specifies how these ends are to be achieved - through a democratic and multi-party system like the one we have now.

Let us destroy the myth of the "evil Nazis" once and for all. The Nazis were not evil. They turned evil because they obtained absolute political power, and as well know, absolute power corrupts absolutely. It wasn't because the ideology itself was evil. The Alt-Right movement, which forms the ideological foundation of the Trump movement, is nothing less than the resurrection of National Socialism.

I know this will be controversial.
Tldr.
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Old 11-14-2016, 03:22 AM
 
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It has almost become universally acknowledged that the Nazis were evil, that they had no redeeming qualities at all, and that they should be condemned as the greatest of evils, at least in the modern age. But what if this is just propaganda, and in reality, the cause of the Nazis was the cause of all humanity? What if the Nazis were not just not evil, but were a revolutionary force for the ultimate liberation of man, an idea so powerful and universal that it cannot die, and is now being resurrected all over the world?

Let's all face it. The Trump campaign is nothing less than the resurrection of the National Socialist idea, but in a democratic and non-totalitarian form. It wouldn't be so viciously attacked by the media if it were just another form of garden-variety conservatism. It is not. It is something different. What are the principles of democratic national socialism? It is quite simple. The three words suffice to fully explain the ideology.

Nationalism - first, that the ultimate purpose of politics is to preserve the security and ensure the survival of a particular group of people who are united by a common race, culture, and identity. The principal idea is that race comes first. This is not to say that minorities should be persecuted or removed from the body politic, but it does mean that the interests of the majority race comes before everything else. Insofar as the minorities do not threaten the interests of the majority race, or threaten to displace it, they should be considered as fully equal citizens; however, if they do pose a threat, this threat must be neutralized. This seems to be what Trump is for, though he doesn't explicitly formulate it as that. Why do people vote for Trump? Because they know that the continued existence and happiness of the white majority is contingent on a certain set of policies being set in place, and is not guaranteed.

The second idea is socialism. What is meant by socialism is that the purpose of the economy should be the well-being and happiness of the citizenry. Yes, private property, free markets, and economic freedom are important. But they are important only insofar as they are means to an end, and they should not be considered as the end in itself, and if the interests of property conflict with the interests of the welfare of the people, the latter supersedes the former. Also, socialism recognizes that the interests of the working class are paramount in a society, and that other classes, including the professional class, the intellectual class, the investor class, "middle class," and so on must defer to the working class. This doesn't mean that the rights of all other classes should be ignored, it merely means that where the interests of the working class (which I define as those who are engaged in value-added production through the application of knowledge to material or immaterial objects) collide with the interests of other classes, the interests of the working class should be given preference.

Finally, is democracy - national socialism as an idea is best realized within the framework of the American political system, where there are multiple parties that compete with each other, instead of a single totalitarian one.

Nationalism specifies what the ultimate purpose of politics is - preservation of the race
Socialism specifies what the ultimate purpose of the economy is - the well-being and happiness of the citizenry
Democracy specifies how these ends are to be achieved - through a democratic and multi-party system like the one we have now.

Let us destroy the myth of the "evil Nazis" once and for all. The Nazis were not evil. They turned evil because they obtained absolute political power, and as well know, absolute power corrupts absolutely. It wasn't because the ideology itself was evil. The Alt-Right movement, which forms the ideological foundation of the Trump movement, is nothing less than the resurrection of National Socialism.

I know this will be controversial.
I hope everyone has caught on to the fact that this guy is a left wing troll. Usually they take much more elaborate names like "Nordic Superman" or some such nonsese.

In any event, this guy is an obvious fake. They are all over the internet, raiding forums with phony bologne aliases and trying to discredit the right by pretending to be the face of facism, supporting it in the background.

Mod, please delete this thread and suspend this character, as he is not representing himself honestly.
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Old 11-14-2016, 03:50 AM
 
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I hope everyone has caught on to the fact that this guy is a left wing troll. Usually they take much more elaborate names like "Nordic Superman" or some such nonsese.

In any event, this guy is an obvious fake. They are all over the internet, raiding forums with phony bologne aliases and trying to discredit the right by pretending to be the face of facism, supporting it in the background.

Mod, please delete this thread and suspend this character, as he is not representing himself honestly.
Actually, no, I didn't. Sadly, there are people who believe this kind of thing.
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Old 11-14-2016, 01:12 PM
 
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What a steaming pile of silliness.
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