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Old 11-14-2016, 10:51 PM
 
Location: USA
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We worked on ours, but China and India need clean air acts to clean up theirs. When will the citizens there demand their governments to do something about it? It's like Pittsburgh in the 1940s x1000. You can barely see across the street through the smog in some places. We did it with far fewer people, but just the two of those countries alone are a third of the population. All the climate agreements in the world will not work until they get serious about that.
The US still has a higher per-capita CO2 emission rate than China and India.
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Old 11-14-2016, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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We worked on ours, but China and India need clean air acts to clean up theirs. When will the citizens there demand their governments to do something about it? It's like Pittsburgh in the 1940s x1000. You can barely see across the street through the smog in some places. We did it with far fewer people, but just the two of those countries alone are a third of the population. All the climate agreements in the world will not work until they get serious about that.
You are not keeping up...

In a sign of how far the world has shifted in recognising the need to tackle global warming, Beijing — once seen as an obstructive force in UN climate talks — is now leading the push for progress by responding to fears that Mr Trump would pull the US out of the landmark accord.

“It is global society’s will that all want to co-operate to combat climate change,” a senior Beijing negotiator said in Marrakesh on Friday, at the first round of UN talks since the Paris deal was sealed last December.
https://www.ft.com/content/35803636-...8-79a99e2a4de6

India takes steps to address climate change, as country suffers from record-setting air pollution. India takes steps to address climate change, as country suffers from record-setting air pollution | PBS NewsHour

It is the USA under the leadership of Donald Trump that will become the largest denier nation.
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Old 11-14-2016, 11:09 PM
 
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Would your population be decreasing if you had no immigration?
I cannot be certain about this, but I assume that would probably be the case.

Aviation is essential for business and immigration – but not being able to cut enough emissions in that particular area doesn't mean people should give up caring for the environment in others.
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Old 11-14-2016, 11:52 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Sixteen of the 17 hottest years on record have been in the 21st century. The other one was 1998.
Not true. Temps were warmer over 300,000 years ago when there was no AGW. Climate change is a naturally recurring cycle, and both CO2 levels and temperatures were higher 100,000s of thousands of years ago, before human impact on the environment existed.
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Graph from the Lawrence National Laboratory at UC Berkeley:
https://web.archive.org/web/20101105...rature-CO2.jpg
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Old 11-15-2016, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Canada
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..... It is the USA under the leadership of Donald Trump that will become the largest denier nation.
No. Not will become. Already is. You can't put the onus on Trump's shoulders or place blame on his future leadership for a stance that already exists in USA and has existed for a long time.

USA already is, always has been, the worldwide leader in climate change denial.

UK and Australia have been close runners up to USA, though their stance is rapidly changing now due to the catastrophic consequences of some of the climate changes that have been happening in their nations during the past 4 or 5 years.

Here is why USA is the world leader in climate change denial:

Why is the US the biggest climate change denier?

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Old 11-15-2016, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Not true. Temps were warmer over 300,000 years ago when there was no AGW. Climate change is a naturally recurring cycle, and both CO2 levels and temperatures were higher 100,000s of thousands of years ago, before human impact on the environment existed.
Graph from the Lawrence National Laboratory at UC Berkeley:
https://web.archive.org/web/20101105...rature-CO2.jpg
Obviously you do not know what recorded temperature even means.
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Old 11-15-2016, 12:39 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Obviously you do not know what recorded temperature even means.
Yes, it means you don't have enough data to form an accurate conclusion given the extended length of the earth's naturally occurring climate change cycles.
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Old 11-15-2016, 06:46 AM
 
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Ok, then tell me what forces you think is causing the warming we are experiencing today.

Tell me what forces made the earth significantly warmer and significantly colder in the past first.

I am all for maintaining the environment and pro actively environment , but theories are not facts. Its very difficult to prove the impact we are having.
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Oh my god the ice cap must be melting,

Quick Obama stop it lol

Note: this was not the warmest year on record
and I grew up in the ocean and it hasnt risen A Bit.

But I'll give you this, "The Climate Will Always Change."

If you grew up in the ocean you should have noted that they are warming or don't you believe in hard data. The Great Barrier Reef and others are dissapearing due to increased ocean tmperatures, which ocean do you live in?
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Old 11-15-2016, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Tell me what forces made the earth significantly warmer and significantly colder in the past first.

I am all for maintaining the environment and pro actively environment , but theories are not facts. Its very difficult to prove the impact we are having.
Warming and coolin gperiods in the past were attributed to changes in the earths orbit over millions of years called the Milankovich Cycles, these recent warming changes have occurred over one hundred years.
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