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Old 11-21-2016, 02:55 PM
 
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since you have yet to express an iota of skepticism about the anecdotes posted by your fellow leftists, I suppose you'd better jump into the basket with the 'trumpalumpas' .
Who said that I'm a leftist?
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Old 11-21-2016, 03:26 PM
 
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Trump, in short, is nothing more than the new face of the Republican party, period. Trying so hard to pose himself as an outlier is hilarious to anyone knowledgeable about US politics, it is the PARTIES that count in the American political realm. Some of his chosen cabinet and advisers are thinking they may go against the party grain, but most know what has happened to those who did so in the past. Passing the torch=American politics..Things will move forward with the Republican agenda, which looks a lot like the Democratic globalist agenda, surprise surprise!!

In turn, the parties are controlled at their upper reaches by those who hold the real power in America. Reading through the tenets of such initiatives as the PNAC directives in the Bush 43 period should allow a view of the real power at work and the way in which that power gets us into wars, recessions, depressions, international intrigue, and, most of those policies which we are told are coming from the White House actually emanate from conservative agenda groups along with globalist progressive think tanks.

It's somewhat humorous that Trump appears to not understand that fact of policy origination, or, he doesn't really care and will be forced to accept the party line or go down in history as the disgraced neophyte--or worse..Power has a way of dealing with those who think they aren't subject to it's machinations, the continuity of power lies in the fact of political party control, it's really that simple, and every four years we are subjected to the media/ political circus--charade of having our choice of puppets. It'a a changing of the guard but-- not policy..
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Old 11-21-2016, 03:45 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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1) Trump's candidacy has validated right-wing racism, hatred, and bigotry. It has reignited a fire that has long been considered almost out. The current era isn't that much different from the 1960s, except back then, the pre-civil rights era was recent history so it was more understandable why so many people would be angry about the change. Today, we have people wanting to roll our country back to an era that they never actually lived through but have only seen through TV Land and Nick at Nite.

2) I am worried about infringement on personal liberties. The far-right wants a police state to keep people who don't conform to social norms oppressed. I am a social libertarian, so I support gun rights, gay rights, and the right to smoke a joint. The right-wing wants to use the strong arm of the government to roll our culture back to that of a long-bygone era (the 1950s). They don't realize that isn't liberty, it's oppression. You can't get the genie back into the bottle without heavy coercion. It could happen, but this country will no longer be "free" when they are done with it.

3) The breakup of our country. It has really brought to the forefront how different the South still is from the rest of the country. Unless we find some common ground between the regional cultural identities, I fear this country may not last much longer. California is talking secession, but had Hillary have won, we would be seeing a new Southern secession movement. We have seen this before and it resulted in a civil war. Throughout the 20th century, it seemed like the tension and angst between the former Confederate states and the rest of the nation was subsiding, but today it appears that it hasn't. New York is as different from Oklahoma as France is from Iran.
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Old 11-21-2016, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Here are my fears:

1. He has surrounded himself with people who are partisan bomb throwers. They see those who disagree with them as the enemy. They will inflame the divisions in the country to the point where public order starts to break down. Specifically I am worried about Bannon, Giuliani, Bolton, and Christie. We need to heal this country. We need public servants, not political knife fighters with long enemies lists. The US is a 50/50 country that is about to get a government dominated by the far right.

2. He seems unprepared for the job, and I suspect that he didn't expect to win. I am worried that he isn't prepared to run the apparatus of government and that we are in for an era of organizational chaos.

3. I think his desire to pull back America's foreign presence, especially in terms of our allies in NATO, Japan and South Korea will destabilize a global order that we take for granted. I'm worried that America's retreat could lead to a big war in Asia and Russian adventurism in eastern Europe. This is not a game. If we get this wrong we could see a war in Asia or Europe that turns Middle Eastern terrorism into a footnote. The status quo has provided stability in the international order for so long that we have forgotten that we have created this status quo, and if we stop creating it the world will turn very ugly.

Those are the main points.
As I Canadian, I agree with all of this. I think Trump is scary no matter which political party he aligns himself with. I feel he's going to make all decisions based on his own business interests and his wallet, not for the good of the country, or the world.

I think his handlers need to take his cell phone or at least block him from accessing social media, and he should have to live in the White House with limited trips to NYC because staying in Trump Tower is a nuisance to the city and putting a bullseye on Manhattan.

And the saddest part is watching the ridiculous insults and jabs back and forth here, while many people seem oblivious to what the US divided means on the world stage. Allies are watching in fascination and horror, and what do you think enemies of the US are doing...
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Old 11-21-2016, 04:07 PM
 
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I think he's a socialist who's trade policies will lead to higher consumer prices, fewer jobs, and recession. I also think the welfare state will continue to grow and entitlement programs will continue to drive us deeper into debt.

I also think our 4th and 10th amendment rights will continue to be under assault.
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Old 11-21-2016, 04:20 PM
 
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1) Trump's candidacy has validated right-wing racism, hatred, and bigotry. It has reignited a fire that has long been considered almost out. The current era isn't that much different from the 1960s, except back then, the pre-civil rights era was recent history so it was more understandable why so many people would be angry about the change. Today, we have people wanting to roll our country back to an era that they never actually lived through but have only seen through TV Land and Nick at Nite.

2) I am worried about infringement on personal liberties. The far-right wants a police state to keep people who don't conform to social norms oppressed. I am a social libertarian, so I support gun rights, gay rights, and the right to smoke a joint. The right-wing wants to use the strong arm of the government to roll our culture back to that of a long-bygone era (the 1950s). They don't realize that isn't liberty, it's oppression. You can't get the genie back into the bottle without heavy coercion. It could happen, but this country will no longer be "free" when they are done with it.

3) The breakup of our country. It has really brought to the forefront how different the South still is from the rest of the country. Unless we find some common ground between the regional cultural identities, I fear this country may not last much longer. California is talking secession, but had Hillary have won, we would be seeing a new Southern secession movement. We have seen this before and it resulted in a civil war. Throughout the 20th century, it seemed like the tension and angst between the former Confederate states and the rest of the nation was subsiding, but today it appears that it hasn't. New York is as different from Oklahoma as France is from Iran.
What do they plan to do culturally that is like the 1950s? Bring back manual steering cars? Get everyone smoking cigarettes again?


The south always goes red, don't blame them. You got to look north this time.
They are dealing with bigger problems than your right to light up a blunt, had dems attended to them, they would not have taken your oppressors to victory.
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Old 11-21-2016, 04:44 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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What do they plan to do culturally that is like the 1950s? Bring back manual steering cars? Get everyone smoking cigarettes again?
A society that is white male dominated. Women are in the kitchen, gays are in the closet, and minorities stay on their side of town. If you don't think that's what they want, read this article.

[*#FF00FF*]Milo[*]: How To Make Women Happy: Uninvent The Washing Machine And The Pill - Breitbart
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Old 11-21-2016, 06:29 PM
 
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There's absolutely no threat to women's rights, or gay rights, or minority rights.

What are people talking about?
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Old 11-21-2016, 06:40 PM
Status: "We need America back!" (set 12 hours ago)
 
Location: Suburban Dallas
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You've got nothing to fear, anti-Trumpers. Your country just got saved 13 days ago. Had your precious Hillary won, we all would have had the ultimate nightmare with no end in sight.

But since Trump won, we don't have to worry about losing our individual rights, our freedoms, our sovereignty, or our liberties. He's not what some posters actually believe he is. What Donald Trump is is a civilian looking to give back to the country he loves, taking a stand when no one else could, and because politicians have failed us too many times. He has no fingerprints on anything the government has touched because Trump has never been in government. He represents the common person in the United States who is sick and tired of corruption.

You've got nothing to be afraid of. Absolutely nothing. Over time, the economy will improve, our streets will be safer, our Supreme Court will once again uphold the Constitution, and the government will be saved from itself. Let not your hearts be troubled, as one would say.
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Old 11-21-2016, 06:44 PM
 
Location: USA
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I really was open to voting for Trump in the face of Clinton. I'm worried about Republicans exploding the deficit yet again, Supreme Court justices who will get rid of abortion, Pence making gay discrimination legal.

Above all, I fear the start of strong-man politics (like Russia) where people vote for a figure because internally they're weak and crave someone they can get in line behind, who could say the sky is pink and his devotees will fight you for saying it's blue. We've never had anything like that in this country and it will devastate us.
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