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Old 11-16-2016, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Let's be completely real here. The alt right are not fiscally conservative in any way, vouching instead for protectionist economics. Many of them like to use the excuse of "economics aren't everything" to justify some more "leftist" economic positions. But reality is the alt right fears the idea of the free market. And I'll explain why.


Under a true free, unregulated market most people on the alt right cannot strive. If you took away all protectionist economics, many on the alt right do not have the ability to compete. If it comes down to technology, most Indians and Asians will far outcompete with them. Plus we may see even more minority groups completely surpass them.

When you win in the free market, it's because you think differently. You have unique ideas and a unique perspective. You don't win based on conformity. The alt right is a movement full of conformist, who don't really have the flexibility to make any legitimate headway in the free market.

This is why it is so important to remove regulation and steer away from protectionist economics. It is time to prove the alt right wrong, who love to go on about genetics. We cannot compete with each other if we have protectionism in the economy. That is why we need to remove all protectionism and allow everyone of every race to compete in a pure free market.
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Old 11-16-2016, 07:45 AM
 
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Because Trump indoctrinated them that they are "The Loosers"
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Old 11-16-2016, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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A worldwide free market only works if the world is a free market, you cannot be the only free market with everybody else taxing your goods, refuses to play by the same environmental rules, and controlling their workers and output. The US economy is basically fighting with one hand tied behind their back and people wonder why the country as a whole is struggling?

Now if you guys want a free market worldwide let's do it, I am in. Since other countries refuse to protect the environment at all, we will have to remove all those regulations. Any country that wants to charge any kind of import/export tax will need to have a regime change, so that should be a few dozen wars but what the hell. Once you get those done than you can complain about the US workers realizing that a free market in the US is not a true free market and therefor means we level the playing field for our country and our economy.
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Old 11-16-2016, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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basically what you're saying is that people shouldn't have a right to decent paying middle class jobs without going to college anymore, that we should allow in any and all third world types to take these jobs at lower wages or ship the jobs to countries that pay lower wages. This will force everyone to go to college, flood the market with degrees, and lower the wages for college grads now straddled with debt.

I might agree if there was one world currency tied to the price of goods so we could directly compare what wages got people in other countries and it would make it a little harder for corporations to use exchange rates to profit along with slave labor to make their products. Many people think they want a one world currency but the truth is they benefit from having multiple currencies. Above poster makes great point about differing environmental regulations. People care about the environment yet we have all these jobs going to countries where they don't and thus can make stuff cheaper by polluting more. They don't have to ship every drum of anything liquid to have it incinerated, etc.

It does seem to me that the left has embraced the unfettered free trade globalist mentality well... I can see why parts of the republican base preferred Hillary for president.

Free health care and living wages with 12 weeks of vacation you say? Well lets just bring in these refugees to take jobs without all these benefits... who needs vacation or time off.. you're all slaves! You deserve what the "free market" will pay you. Well isn't that a vision that makes a person proud... a world by corporations, for corporations where the top 1% can continue to concentrate their wealth yet further. Hallelujah.

I vote republican but never claimed I was a pure free market capitalist.

Hopefully the robots eventually allow for some sort of basic universal income, that is before they become self aware and kill us all.

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Old 11-16-2016, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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A worldwide free market only works if the world is a free market, you cannot be the only free market with everybody else taxing your goods, refuses to play by the same environmental rules, and controlling their workers and output. The US economy is basically fighting with one hand tied behind their back and people wonder why the country as a whole is struggling?

Now if you guys want a free market worldwide let's do it, I am in. Since other countries refuse to protect the environment at all, we will have to remove all those regulations. Any country that wants to charge any kind of import/export tax will need to have a regime change, so that should be a few dozen wars but what the hell. Once you get those done than you can complain about the US workers realizing that a free market in the US is not a true free market and therefor means we level the playing field for our country and our economy.
We can have a free market within our own borders. I'm not sure what's preventing this. Also how a country choose to run themselves have nothing to do with our ability to trade with them. That's their problem not yours.
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Houston
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How is it possible for a tariff to produce greater benefit to labor than it costs the consumer?

If all we want is jobs we can pay people to dig holes and others to fill them up.
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Eastern Colorado
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We can have a free market within our own borders. I'm not sure what's preventing this. Also how a country choose to run themselves have nothing to do with our ability to trade with them. That's their problem not yours.
We could but over the last 25 years the government has placed more and more barriers to entry and regulations to stop small businesses from starting and creating an environment where only those with the money to overcome the up front and compliance costs can compete, add to that government regulators and such that have gotten out of control, and there is no free market in the US any longer. That is probably the largest reason I voted for Trump, he promises to remove much of that crap so that normal people can have a chance as well.
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:10 AM
 
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The "alt-right" are a bunch or racist, xenophobic minded individuals who are driven only by fear.

They don't think about any sort of market, free or otherwise. They only care about low level mining jobs and manufacturing and advocating for white supremacy.
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:10 AM
 
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A worldwide free market only works if the world is a free market, you cannot be the only free market with everybody else taxing your goods, refuses to play by the same environmental rules, and controlling their workers and output. The US economy is basically fighting with one hand tied behind their back and people wonder why the country as a whole is struggling?

Now if you guys want a free market worldwide let's do it, I am in. Since other countries refuse to protect the environment at all, we will have to remove all those regulations. Any country that wants to charge any kind of import/export tax will need to have a regime change, so that should be a few dozen wars but what the hell. Once you get those done than you can complain about the US workers realizing that a free market in the US is not a true free market and therefor means we level the playing field for our country and our economy.

Very well said. Too bad people just can't understand this.
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:10 AM
 
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How is it possible for a tariff to produce greater benefit to labor than it costs the consumer?

If all we want is jobs we can pay people to dig holes and others to fill them up.
Nah, we already have the millions of government employees who do this....


(Military excluded)
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