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Old 11-17-2016, 09:47 AM
 
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Warrantless search?
No different than civil forfeiture, you are guilty until you can prove you are innocent.
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Old 11-17-2016, 09:56 AM
 
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Exactly and this is also why we will never see the problem go away. That pointing fingers thing seems to be all too common , and it sure does seem like it always comes from one side.
Every politician is always angling to take credit for good things while blaming problems on their political rivals.

Specific to guns, it's just proven very very easy to blame gun violence on guns and then guns coming in from "less regulated" parts of the state or surrounding states. In places like Chicago, it's so tightly party controlled that even Al Sharpton got run out of town (or bought off...he did get a key DNC speaking role mysteriously after that) with his tail between his legs for daring to mention the things I'm bringing up and calling out Mayor Daley.

Black leadership in Chicago is also deeply imbedded with the political scene there and are going to go along and not rock the boat too much because their kid has a 6-fig job at the CTA, their cousin another place and so forth....just like how all the other politicians take care of family and friends.

I've lived in Chicago and small towns in Illinois. It's beyond ironic that Chicago with a gun violence rate 5x higher than the rest of the state turns around and blames the problem on the ease of getting guns in the rest of the state. Um, if that's the problem then why is their gun violence 5x lower?

An even more egregious comparison are the neighborhoods of Austin and Lincoln Park. Both in Chicago...3miles apart....and each with around 100k residents. Austin has 30-40 murders a year, Lincoln Park about 1. It's like Tiajuana and Norweigh differences in murder rates.

But what's the problem? Oh...it's guns. It's offensive to hear them shovel that BS.
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Old 11-17-2016, 10:07 AM
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Every politician is always angling to take credit for good things while blaming problems on their political rivals.

Specific to guns, it's just proven very very easy to blame gun violence on guns and then guns coming in from "less regulated" parts of the state or surrounding states. In places like Chicago, it's so tightly party controlled that even Al Sharpton got run out of town (or bought off...he did get a key DNC speaking role mysteriously after that) with his tail between his legs for daring to mention the things I'm bringing up and calling out Mayor Daley.

Black leadership in Chicago is also deeply imbedded with the political scene there and are going to go along and not rock the boat too much because their kid has a 6-fig job at the CTA, their cousin another place and so forth....just like how all the other politicians take care of family and friends.

I've lived in Chicago and small towns in Illinois. It's beyond ironic that Chicago with a gun violence rate 5x higher than the rest of the state turns around and blames the problem on the ease of getting guns in the rest of the state. Um, if that's the problem then why is their gun violence 5x lower?

An even more egregious comparison are the neighborhoods of Austin and Lincoln Park. Both in Chicago...3miles apart....and each with around 100k residents. Austin has 30-40 murders a year, Lincoln Park about 1. It's like Tiajuana and Norweigh differences in murder rates.

But what's the problem? Oh...it's guns. It's offensive to hear them shovel that BS.
No one claims its just guns.

The argument is that the guns are indeed part of the problem and it is one that can be solved.
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Old 11-17-2016, 10:20 AM
 
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No one claims its just guns.

The argument is that the guns are indeed part of the problem and it is one that can be solved.
It's the culture more than the guns. Young people own just as many guns in other areas of the country, but they don't use them to commit murders.
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Old 11-17-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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It's the culture more than the guns. Young people own just as many guns in other areas of the country, but they don't use them to commit murders.
On their own race no less.
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Old 11-17-2016, 10:55 AM
 
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Young people own just as many guns in other areas of the country, but they don't use them to commit murders.
Can you share the source of these purported facts, please?

Thanks!
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Old 11-17-2016, 10:56 AM
 
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On their own race no less.
Are you referring to black-on-black homicide?
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Old 11-17-2016, 10:57 AM
 
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I've lived in Chicago and small towns in Illinois.
So you say.
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Old 11-17-2016, 11:05 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Shouldn't people learn a little about it before commenting?

Isn't it really condescending and irresponsible for someone to tell you how to do things without even trying to know what they are talking about?

Yet again and again, we hash and rehash the same ignorance of the left.

Let me just add, everything has exceptions and nothing is absolute. A few exceptions don't change the generalization. Let's not talk about the semantics that I didn't say "some" or use the word "most."
Whats to know, guns were made to kill people.


If all guns were eliminated there would be no gun violence.


Anything else is irrelevant to anti gun people who pretend to protect people from harm so they can achieve their no guns in private hands agenda. The dead in chicago, newark and detroit are considered co-lateral damage to achieve the no gun theoretical academic goal sometime in the distant future.


Meanwhile the body count continues.


diane DeGette is open to buying magazines.


Now we have the designation, super gun collector, for anyone with 17 or more guns. As if the illogical list of banned weapons holds the violence at bay.


serial number all "BULLETS"......!!!!!!!


Insane is a president telling the nation that the cities and states with the toughest gun laws are the safest..... ignoring the states with a murder rate that that takes two years to match one weekends death toll in chicago, and allows automatic wepons with a federal approval and tax stamp and silencers.


When the head of the nation provides such distorted misleading lies as fact, the people lose trust and confidence in that leader. And so obama and hillary have been rejected by an electoral landslide.
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Old 11-17-2016, 11:09 AM
 
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Progressive, communist, liberals love guns only in big government hands so the people are at their stone cold hearted mercy. Democrats are now corporate globalists. Hillary wanted us to have a one hemispheric government.

Fight the suck that is the Democrat vision for America.
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